Presidential Campaign: 2012

[jeffandbecky]

Originally Posted by roni

At least the last one was a relatively mainstream Methodist.

Here is some information about some of the Governor Perry's supporters

Like I said east Texas. You get a lot of concrete shell Baptists in that part of the state. His core base is east Texas democrats.

Perry was one of the first democrat politicians that realized you had to have a "R" after your name to be elected to a statewide office in Texas. Ma Richards hadn't been elected as governor when Perry made the switch. Good old Ma was the last democrat elected to statewide office. Like I said, never a wrong step.

Stewart's opinion of Perry is pretty much what a lot of conservatives feel about him. Having known him for 15 years, I am still uneasy supporting him. Rick is thoroughly likeable, great conversationalist, tremendous sense of humor, and just something that is too slick about him. Perry reminds me too much of Clinton.

[horizon200]

Originally Posted by roni

We are largely withdrawn from the phony Bush-Cheney Blackwater war in Iraq, in case you have not been following the news.

Tell that to the 5 families that lost their children their this week.

[roni]

Originally Posted by horizon200

Tell that to the 5 families that lost their children their this week.

Mike,

Death in war is difficult, particularly for the families of killed servicemen.

That does not change the fact that the USA is in the process of withdrawing from Iraq.

[roni]

Just saw Henry Kissinger on CNN. He has some good things to say about our President, including a statement that President Obama was "very close to objectives I affirm."

The interviewer asked Kissinger if he thought Obama would consider that a compliment. Kissinger say that he thought the President would consider it a private compliment but probably would not advertise it

[Mnbruce]

Originally Posted by spaz!

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How much longer will Obama keep us in that phony war in Iraq

Thank you! It's about time that somebody here on the right admitted that President Bush entered us into a phony war. Too bad the lives lost were real.

[horizon200]

Originally Posted by roni

Mike,

Death in war is difficult, particularly for the families of killed servicemen.

That does not change the fact that the USA is in the process of withdrawing from Iraq.

My point is too many people consider the withdrawal and "return of combat troops" the end. Truth is they are still in a precarious place.

[snappysammy]

Originally Posted by StewartG

Dude, somehow, this useless bag of skin with good hair keeps winning election after election in this state. We are nucking futs here in Texas, I tells ya!

well, ok
but those are some very scary people with whom he is hangin'

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by snappysammy

well, ok
but those are some very scary people with whom he is hangin'

– September 2001: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

– September 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.”

– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”

– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God damn America … for killing innocent people. God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

– December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”

– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

– Jan. 13, 2008: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

– “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”

– "You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you."

– “We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. … We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. … We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. … We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means. And … And … And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this shit!”

– "To say “I am a Christian” is not enough. Why? Because the Christianity of the slaveholder is not the Christianity of the slave. The God to whom the slaveholders pray as they ride on the decks of the slave ship is not the God to whom the enslaved are praying as they ride beneath the decks on that slave ship."

– "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

– "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

–"Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n-----."

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Mikey

– September 2001: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

– September 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.”

– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”

– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God damn America … for killing innocent people. God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

– December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”

– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

– Jan. 13, 2008: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

– “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”

– "You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you."

– “We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. … We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. … We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. … We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means. And … And … And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this shit!”

– "To say “I am a Christian” is not enough. Why? Because the Christianity of the slaveholder is not the Christianity of the slave. The God to whom the slaveholders pray as they ride on the decks of the slave ship is not the God to whom the enslaved are praying as they ride beneath the decks on that slave ship."

– "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

– "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

–"Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n-----."

Well I know I for one want to dedicate a lot of time to reading a long passage of quoted text even though there's no explanation for/of it and no source for it given. Thanks!

[roni]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Well I know I for one want to dedicate a lot of time to reading a long passage of quoted text even though there's no explanation for/of it and no source for it given. Thanks!

I think it is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Some of the points in Mikey's quotes post are objectionable.

Jeremiah does not control a political movement claiming a quarter of democrats. Hagee and Fischer and those others supporting and working with Gov. Perry do have some control and great influence over 25% of Republicans, who comprise a higher proportion of Republican primary voters.

That is merely one difference. Read the statements attributed to both and make your own call. In my view, the politically right-wing so-called Christians like Fischer, Wildmon and Hagee are far more dangerous and objectionable. I am sure that others disagree with me.

[CalifGuy]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Well I know I for one want to dedicate a lot of time to reading a long passage of quoted text even though there's no explanation for/of it and no source for it given. Thanks!

Why are the quotes repeated?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by roni

I think it is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright...

Originally Posted by CalifGuy

Why are the quotes repeated?

Obviously you guys are more patient with such long, unsourced, unframed excerpts than I am!

[ryberg]

This is the best thing I've heard from Pawlenty.

“President Obama said that he designed Obamacare after Romneycare and basically made it Obamneycare,” Pawlenty said on “Fox News Sunday,” adding: “What I don’t understand is that they both continue to defend it.”

Pawlenty assails 'Obamneycare' - Dan Hirschhorn and Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

Edit: I guess "Romamacare" wasn't going to cut it.

[Mikey]

Anyone think Obama would have distanced himself from his spiritual leader if he wouldn't have been running for President?

[roni]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Anyone think Obama would have distanced himself from his spiritual leader if he wouldn't have been running for President?

I think it is incorrect to assert that Jeremiah Wright was Barack Obama's spiritual leader. It is correct to say that Rev, Wright was the senior minister of Obama's church in Chicago, and played a significant role in Obama's conversion to Christianity.