Presidential Campaign: 2012

[melliedee]

When you have a wacky "cocktail party" morning show where "anything can happen," sometimes what will happen -- especially if your guestlist features a lot of useless tools like Mark Halperin -- is that someone will call the president a "dick" because he thinks it's endearingly naughty. There was even a big, smirky build-up to Halperin calling the president a "dick." It didn't just slip out. Everyone got really excited that Halperin was about to use a bad word, because these people are children, and Halperin looked very pleased with himself after he said the bad word on the TV. Chuckle chuckle chuckle! Faux-outrage! Fun and hijinks! High-quality political analysis, everyone.

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Mark Halperin comes up with great excuse to fire Mark Halperin - MSNBC - Salon.com

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by StewartG

I do not remember the Democratic party holding Bush and congressional Republicans hostage in order to unilaterally push through their agenda and/or ideology over ANY of the numerous votes to raise the debt ceiling since the beginning of this century, do you?

Please don't use the "pox on both their houses, both sides do it" argument when its not true. Both sides didn't do it - only the Republicans did.

Republicans are willing to permanently destroy the credit of the United States, they are willing to send a message to the world that we are UNRELIABLE in our fiscal promises based on our internal political struggles, and are willing to risk destabilizing the entire world financial system, all for the stake of ramming through a unilateral, uncompromising version of THEIR agenda. So please, PLEASE don't talk about Republicans being "better for the country" given their reckless and irresponsible conduct in this regard - it makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

I would swear your talking about Obamacare...

and the Democrats had 2 yrs to pass a budget and brushed it under the rug cause they were to busy cramming their agenda down our throats...and didn't want to be responsiable for their votes..so anything now is the Democrats fault for not taking care of business when it was due...

To bad so sad if the economy is in the dumps, its Obama's Fault He is President... He claimed to be the great uniter and turned out to be the greatest divider in my life time ... thats the way I see it ... and in 18 months ..
We will get a new President that can try to straighten this mess out the democrats have made.. and lest you forget democrats were in control of congress for 2 yrs before the shit hit the fan,claiming all was well with the mortgage industry which BUSH and Republicans warned about ... ..... Democrats were the one contolling the purse strings... and wow guess who was a senator then..

Bush couldn't spend shit the democrats didn't approve of 1st....

and running against Bush 2 1/2 yrs later is some funny shit .. are liberals really so stupid as to think thats gonna fly for 2012 ? .. thats a rhetorical question..

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Video at link:

Mark Halperin comes up with great excuse to fire Mark Halperin - MSNBC - Salon.com

Dick Hussein Obama ... it has a jolly little ring to it

Fact is Obama is a little Wiener or DICK... at least someone had enough guts to say it...


Didn't seem like you folks had a problem with it with Tricky "Dick" Nixon or Dick Cheney... so whats the beef

[user 6507]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Video at link:

Mark Halperin comes up with great excuse to fire Mark Halperin - MSNBC - Salon.com

It sounds like Alex is jealous he wasn't at the party. I expect dick like antics from that luzer network. And yes...it was inappropriate for a network commentator to use that language-best to save those gems for private conversation.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by gingele

You do realize that the Republicans in Congress voted SEVEN different times to raise the debt ceiling under President Bush:



Source: http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/r...h-debt-ceiling

Doesn't mean it was the right thing to do or everyone was for it. I'm still looking for that "Hope" and "Change you can believe in" instead of dope and business as usual.

Saw a bumper sticker yesterday that read. "Obama Bin Lying" I laughed.

[minnjim]

Well that sure helped, didn't it!

Oil prices: back to before the strategic reserves were tapped - Jun. 30, 2011

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by minnjim

Well that sure helped, didn't it!

Oil prices: back to before the strategic reserves were tapped - Jun. 30, 2011

Just more wasteful spending...

[STOGEY]

Didn't anyone telly the libs, that since oil is a commodity just like everything else that is on the market. It will be priced like everything else is on the market. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

[STOGEY]

What President O should have asked during his speech on closing tax loopholes for corporate aircraft owners.

Are the residents in Harlem and Chicago willing to give up their crack pipes
,gang banging hobbies, so their kids don't have to worry about being hit by a stray bullet in a drive by shoot out?

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by minnjim

Well that sure helped, didn't it!

Oil prices: back to before the strategic reserves were tapped - Jun. 30, 2011

Travel to be down over holiday

Wonder how many states this will affect?

Maybe the gas prices will drop down before tomorrow, like the deficit will be cut in half before Obama's first term.

[user 6507]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Travel to be down over holiday

Wonder how many states this will affect?

Maybe the gas prices will drop down before tomorrow, like the deficit will be cut in half before Obama's first term.

I've been jumping in the kids vehicle lately and burning his gas instead of mine...I think he's catching on....

[tmc]

Originally Posted by StewartG

I don't remember the Democrats holding Bush hostage on a critical, typically non-partisan issue, to push through ANY of their agenda, whether it involved increased spending or increased cuts, do you?

And, if you think that broadcasting a message to the world that the U.S., due to its internal politics, is unable and unwilling to raise our debt ceiling in order to pay our debts and that we must resort to the extraordinary measures to which you refer in your last sentence is a good idea, then... By all means, call your Republican senators and congresspeople and tell them you approve of them "playing chicken" with this situation and to hold firm that NOT ONE RED CENT of revenue enhancement is acceptable under any circumstances whatsoever.


I mean really, come on... You admit the irresponsible spending of both parties... You admit that our current debt and budget deficit is at critical levels...

So, is it really SO much of a stretch to admit that a balanced approach is appropriate to resolve the situation? I think Obama has proposed 3 dollars in cuts to every 1 dollar in increased revenue. Is that really that unreasonable? I mean, its not like he (or any Democrats) are advocating the position that these increased revenues be used for any silly wasteful liberal program like increasing protections for the sick, children or the elderly or any of their typical long haired hippy nonsense... Rather, they simply want the increased revenue to help balance the budget, while at the same time agreeing to substantial cuts to those pansy assed liberal programs they cherish, like WIC, head start and so on.

In short - Democrats are willing to compromise, to give up on some things that are important to them, etc. Republicans are bound and determined to hold to ideological purity (i.e. My way or the highway!)

I mean, lets look at this from a microeconomic perspective: What if we had a typical household, with mom and dad and two kids. Dad has a job that earns him $40K per year, but they have run up $100K in credit card bills because they have been spending $1K more a month than dad earns for the last ten years (despite having had a POSITIVE monthly cash flow when Clinton left office.) Under this scenario, it PERFECTLY understandable for the family to look for as many ways as possible to cut back on monthly expenses. That is a rational and reasonable approach to the problem (even though we both agree they SHOULD have been doing that under the Bush administration.) But what if dad suggested that mom go out and get a part time job while the kids are in school so as to increase household revenue - would that justify mom going BALLISTIC and telling dad that his idea is a "NON-STARTER" and then walking out of their family discussion as to how to balance their budget?

What if mom suggested to dad that dad work a little overtime and earn a little extra income? Would dad be responsible in telling mom "NO WAY" and instead insisting that the family only eat ramen noodles, that they liquidate his retirement fund, that they stop buying medicine for Susie's asthma and Junior's chemotherapy, and that they move out of their house and into a shanty on the side of the highway before he works EVEN ONE MINUTE of overtime so as to earn more revenue?

At least you've encapsulated the problem with your example of the family financial crisis; those favoring the big government approach to problem solving fail to recognize that taxation is not a wealth creation activity. Your example has nothing to do with the budgetary state of affairs because the money Mr. Obama and his cronies demand is not earned in any sense of the word, and is instead confiscated from those capable of producing, with a large chunk taken out for a "handling fee". What sense does it make to take money from productive people, funnel it through Washington only to have some significantly smaller pile of money work its way back to the state from whence it came?

Revenues to the federal government are more than sufficient to handle the tasks they need to, what needs to happen is across the board cuts in spending. If we went back to the spending levels of 2007 or 2008, the deficit would essentially disappear and there would be no fear of breaching the debt ceiling; we could then start to work on long term debt reduction by paring the other unnecessary parts of the budget. Do you really think the world would come to an end if we spent what we did a few scant years ago to feed the Leviathan?

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by tmc

At least you've encapsulated the problem with your example of the family financial crisis; those favoring the big government approach to problem solving fail to recognize that taxation is not a wealth creation activity. Your example has nothing to do with the budgetary state of affairs because the money Mr. Obama and his cronies demand is not earned in any sense of the word, and is instead confiscated from those capable of producing, with a large chunk taken out for a "handling fee". What sense does it make to take money from productive people, funnel it through Washington only to have some significantly smaller pile of money work its way back to the state from whence it came?

Revenues to the federal government are more than sufficient to handle the tasks they need to, what needs to happen is across the board cuts in spending. If we went back to the spending levels of 2007 or 2008, the deficit would essentially disappear and there would be no fear of breaching the debt ceiling; we could then start to work on long term debt reduction by paring the other unnecessary parts of the budget. Do you really think the world would come to an end if we spent what we did a few scant years ago to feed the Leviathan?

No... then we couldn't call them what they truly are:

TAX AND SPEND LIBERALS... its nothing new ..

and if Republicans wont raise taxes and spend more ... then they must want to kill puppies and grandma..

[STOGEY]

If we continue to raise the fed debt level to pay the feds debts. All we'll end up doing is creating more debt.

[beerbreath]

To me it is very simple.If the rest of us are being asked to make sacrifices for this debt,don't you think the riches Americans should make a little sacrifices too?Would it not be right to at least suspend the Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest of Americans?Is this not reasonable?