Presidential Campaign: 2012

[snappysammy]

Originally Posted by minnjim

"Arkie"??? Nobody calls Mikey, "Tex"!
You all use it as a term of derision, not endearment and you know it. Y'all......are letting your ignorance hang out big time.

your ignorance is poking out its ugly head
i lived in arkansas and loved every minute of it
when i speak of arkies it is with a deep sense of reverence

stick with things you understand

[minnjim]

So DH, you Arkie rat! What's new??

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by gingele

You are married filing jointly, correct? Does your spouse work? No? But you still get the credit based on your joint return. Just a wild guess - if your spouse were to get a job, her income would diminish your EITC or (god forbid!) do away with it entirely. Nice disincentive there, huh?

And you are further incorrect in that a person can certainly get the EITC if they don't have kids, it is just smaller.

And why don't you deduct your interest? Maybe it is because you don't itemize, since you have no need for ANY deductions, since you have no actual tax liability, thanks to the EITC.

And I wouldn't be so smug about paying those other taxes - because the Federal government turns around and gives them ALL right back to you, and then some, in the form of your EITC check.

I'll repeat, in case I wasn't abundantly clear before - I don't have a problem with the EITC, nor do I have a problem with you taking the handout.

My issue is only with your hypocrisy, and the negative things you have said about other welfare programs and especially other welfare recipients while gloating about your family doing the exact same thing yourselves.

I stand corrected ..For tax year 2010, the maximum EIC for a person or couple without qualifying children is $457 wooohooo

Originally Posted by gingele

I'll repeat, in case I wasn't abundantly clear before - I don't have a problem with the EITC, nor do I have a problem with you taking the handout.

I do..and have always maintained its wrong .. I think all of the loopholes, credits and deductions should go away with at least 50% cut from the rest of the social spending programs designed to keep the poor.. poor... All of them are as you say a" disincentive to work" ...


Second: Yes my wife stays at home with the kids.. thats what REAL Mothers do...and I would dare you to tell her it isn't work .. or a job..or any other stay at home Mom..

[snappysammy]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

I stand corrected ..For tax year 2010, the maximum EIC for a person or couple without qualifying children is $457 wooohooo



I do..and have always maintained its wrong .. I think all of the loopholes, credits and deductions should go away with at least 50% cut from the rest of the social spending programs designed to keep the poor.. poor... All of them are as you say a" disincentive to work" ...


Second: Yes my wife stays at home with the kids.. thats what REAL Mothers do...and I would dare you to tell her it isn't work .. or a job..or any other stay at home Mom..

that was quite refreshing, arkie
congrats on this post

[D33RHUNT3R]

Poll: 41% Of Dems Want Primary Opponent For Obama | TPMDC

While President Obama has fared well at the state level in early 2012 presidential election polls, a newly released national poll paints a more troublesome picture for the president's re-election bid.

The McClatchy-Marist survey finds 41% of Democrats are in favor of a challenge for the Democratic presidential nomination. When Democratic-leaning independents are included, 45% support a primary challenge, 46% don't, and 9% aren't sure.

A November 15 Quinnipiac poll showed much less support for a contested 2012 primary, with just 27% of Democrats and Democrat leaners saying they wanted a Dem besides Obama to run in 2012, while 64% didn't.

In the Marist poll, only 36% of respondents indicate that they would "definitely vote for him" in the general election, whereas 48% state they will "definitely vote against him."
Of course, a serious Democratic challenge to Obama in the 2012 primary seems unlikely -- and the chances of a successful challenge even less so. But of the Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who favor a challenge for the party's nomination, 39% say they'd like the primary challenge to come from the left, while 40% want the challenge to come from the right. As the pollster notes:


He's [Obama] in the murky middle. He's not energizing his base, nor is he convincing enough independents. Those numbers all reflect a real restlessness about him. This is not a pretty picture for him.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Second: Yes my wife stays at home with the kids.. thats what REAL Mothers do...and I would dare you to tell her it isn't work .. or a job..or any other stay at home Mom..

I agree that raising kids IS real work, and I applaud anyone who makes that choice and can afford that choice. But plenty of Moms who do work are still REAL mothers. My Mom did. Lots of working Moms I know are also terrific parents.

[CalifGuy]

Originally Posted by minnjim

"Arkie"??? Nobody calls Mikey, "Tex"!
You all use it as a term of derision, not endearment and you know it. Y'all......are letting your ignorance hang out big time.

Lighten up Minnie.

[melliedee]

Does this mean we can start calling Mikey "Tex?"

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by melliedee

I agree that raising kids IS real work, and I applaud anyone who makes that choice and can afford that choice. But plenty of Moms who do work are still REAL mothers. My Mom did. Lots of working Moms I know are also terrific parents.

Personally I disagree... When money or your career is more important than your kids... Something ain't right in my book.. But that is just my opinion..ETIC or No ETIC my wife and I agreed from day 1 she would be home with the kids... The issue is Daycare ain't Mommy..Grandma aint Mommy .. I didn't have kids for someone else to raise..

and when my ex wife did work against my judgement it always cost us money for her to work... By the time you deducted daycare, gas,wear and tear on the car and paying daycare when the kids are home sick.. at the end of the month we were lucky to break even ... Just so Mommy didn't have to be Mommy and a Housewife... and if you cant live on what your husband brings home He either needs a new job or your living beyond your means .. Time to downsize your standard of living ... That is what we call sacrafice... anything else in most cases is just selfish IMO..


how can you be a terrific parent to a 12wk old -5 yr old in maybe 2-5 hrs a day... ?? Sorry I believe you could be a much more TERRIFIC parent at home 24/7... Nobody cares for a child like Mom and Dad..and especially not a daycare center..

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Personally I disagree... When money or your career is more important than your kids... Something ain't right in my book.. But that is just my opinion..ETIC or No ETIC my wife and I agreed from day 1 she would be home with the kids... The issue is Daycare ain't Mommy..Grandma aint Mommy .. I didn't have kids for someone else to raise..

That's great, but it is a personal, family decision. Plenty of families have no problems raising kids with both parents working. Mine is a perfect example. My brother and I were never neglected and had a great childhood with BOTH of our parents working.

and when my ex wife did work against my judgement it always cost us money for her to work... By the time you deducted daycare, gas,wear and tear on the car and paying daycare when the kids are home sick.. at the end of the month we were lucky to break even ... Just so Mommy didn't have to be Mommy and a Housewife... and if you cant live on what your husband brings home He either needs a new job or your living beyond your means .. Time to downsize your standard of living ... That is what we call sacrafice... anything else in most cases is just selfish IMO.

And some families would work two jobs a piece before going on the dole. That's how I was raised; it's a working class thing, maybe.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by melliedee

That's great, but it is a personal, family decision. Plenty of families have no problems raising kids with both parents working. Mine is a perfect example. My brother and I were never neglected and had a great childhood with BOTH of our parents working.



And some families would work two jobs a piece before going on the dole.
That's how I was raised; it's a working class thing, maybe.

Yes, that does say a lot about our society now a days (selfish)...

but I'm sure there are cases where the child is far better off in daycare...


Most of the Women (I) know that that work - it is about "Their life ,Their Career"

I just see it as how much they missed and lost and the same for the children ...

[spaz!]

Lots of people like other people to raise thier kids.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Yes, that does say a lot about our society now a days (selfish)...

but I'm sure there are cases where the child is far better off in daycare...


Most of the Women (I) know that that work - it is about "Their life ,Their Career"

I just see it as how much they missed and lost and the same for the children ...

Perhaps they want to set a good example for their daughters? Motherhood + career works just fine for a lot of parents AND their children. Aside from that, it is just an economic reality for a great many of families (especially those who don't want to sponge off of the government).

I grew up in a blue collar neighborhood. Most of my friends had both parents working and shared responsibilities. My brother and I both had jobs since our early teens and learned the value of hard work and saving for what you wanted. I consider both of my parents role models and excellent caregivers. I look back at pictures from the 70s and they were both so young; I don't know how they knew what they were doing, and maybe they were winging it? It still resulted in a happy and well adjusted childhood for both me and my brother.

[TJordan]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Yes, that does say a lot about our society now a days (selfish)...

but I'm sure there are cases where the child is far better off in daycare...


Most of the Women (I) know that that work - it is about "Their life ,Their Career"

I just see it as how much they missed and lost and the same for the children ...

So because parents work to support their kids, it makes them selfish. Am I reading that right?

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by TJordan

So because parents work to support their kids, it makes them selfish. Am I reading that right?

in most cases YES... They would rather have THINGS then do without ..and be home with the kids they made..