Presidential Campaign: 2012

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Sobering Thought...........

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I'll say!

[gingele]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

True story and most people will never know it.

Here’s an interesting side bar.

After the Japanese decimated our fleet in Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941,
They could have sent their troop ships and carriers directly to California to finish what they started.
The prediction from our Chief of Staff was we would not be able to stop a
Massive invasion until they reached the Mississippi River .
Remember, we had a 2 million man army and war ships…...
All fighting the Germans.

So, why did they not invade?

After the war, the remaining Japanese generals and admirals were asked that question.
Their answer…...
They know that almost every home had guns and the Americans knew how to use them..

The world's largest army.... America's hunters!

Too bad no one told the 9/11 terrorists about this story....even if it is bullshit.

[user 6507]

Originally Posted by melliedee

That's not what they're saying. Mostly I've heard that the payroll holiday is not stimulative, doesn't create jobs, and we can't afford it. The same could be said of the Bush/Obama cuts for millionaires, so I have a difficult time determining how opposition to one is class warfare, and opposition to the other is not.

Also, doesn't the Norquist pledge apply here? Aren't all taxes hikes bad?

I can't speak for every republican and never claimed to....but there are enough republicans who realize that while the tax holiday or whatever you want to call it might not exactly stimulate the economy, that money will find its way directly into the bloodstream, just as unemployment benefits would. It is tangible and immediate and not pie in the sky. And theoretically, is letting a tax break that was meant to be TEMPORARY from the get go expire the same as a tax increase? By the same token, if the economy improves will Congress' refusal to grant an unemployment benefits extension be the same as CUTTING their benefits? We're really into semantics with some of this stuff.

And you quizzed me before on why I think Obama is a class warrior and the republicans are not. My answer is the same now as it was then.

But be happy...I have flip flopped and am now in favor of sticking to those dirty millionaires...

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by StephenB

I can't speak for every republican and never claimed to....but there are enough republicans who realize that while the tax holiday or whatever you want to call it might not exactly stimulate the economy, that money will find its way directly into the bloodstream, just as unemployment benefits would. It is tangible and immediate and not pie in the sky. And theoretically, is letting a tax break that was meant to be TEMPORARY from the get go expire the same as a tax increase? By the same token, if the economy improves will Congress' refusal to grant an unemployment benefits extension be the same as CUTTING their benefits? We're really into semantics with some of this stuff.

And you quizzed me before on why I think Obama is a class warrior and the republicans are not. My answer is the same now as it was then.

But be happy...I have flip flopped and am now in favor of sticking to those dirty millionaires...

Well, the Bush cuts had an expiration date too; yet, everyone talks about those expiring as a tax increase. Why does it become a semantics argument when we're talking about something that impacts the middle class?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Well, the Bush cuts had an expiration date too; yet, everyone talks about those expiring as a tax increase. Why does it become a semantics argument when we're talking about something that impacts the middle class?

Exactly.

P.S. It's a good thing conservatives don't have double standards!

[user 6507]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Well, the Bush cuts had an expiration date too; yet, everyone talks about those expiring as a tax increase. Why does it become a semantics argument when we're talking about something that impacts the middle class?

I am on record as saying let them expire across the board...I believe you are too, so what's your question? I'm not the one who renewed them.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by StephenB

I am on record as saying let them expire across the board...I believe you are too, so what's your question? I'm not the one who renewed them.

You and I aren't the ones making this decision. I'm talking about the rhetoric of those who are. I see class warfare on both sides, but no one seems to want to call it class warfare when it's the middle class getting the shaft. Oh, weren't they going to expire anyway? How is that an increase?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by melliedee

You and I aren't the ones making this decision. I'm talking about the rhetoric of those who are. I see class warfare on both sides, but no one seems to want to call it class warfare when it's the middle class getting the shaft. Oh, weren't they going to expire anyway? How is that an increase?

You two have been down this road before on this very thread:

http://www.playa.info/playa-del-carm...ml#post1821476

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by ryberg

You two have been down this road before on this very thread:

http://www.playa.info/playa-del-carm...ml#post1821476

I'm Mary to his Lou Grant.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by melliedee

I'm Mary to his Lou Grant.

Ah... Laughter, the best medicine. That was a good one.

[roni]

Originally Posted by melliedee

I'm Mary to his Lou Grant.

Accepting nominations for Ted, Murray, Phyliss, Rhoda, Sue Ann and Georgette

[gingele]

Originally Posted by roni

Accepting nominations for Ted, Murray, Phyliss, Rhoda, Sue Ann and Georgette

I could think of a few contenders for Ted.

[bearcat]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Sobering Thought...........

After the Japanese decimated our fleet in Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941,

They could have sent their troop ships and carriers directly to California to finish what they started.
The prediction from our Chief of Staff was we would not be able to stop a
Massive invasion until they reached the Mississippi River .
Remember, we had a 2 million man army and war ships…...
All fighting the Germans.

So, why did they not invade?

We had 2 million American soldiers fighting in Germany at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941? Thats news to me. We didn't enter the European front until a month later in 1942 and we certainly didn't ramp up to 2 million soldiers in that time.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by bearcat

We had 2 million American soldiers fighting in Germany at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941? Thats news to me. We didn't enter the European front until a month later in 1942 and we certainly didn't ramp up to 2 million soldiers in that time.

You are presuming that DH gives a **** about the accuracy of his copypasta.

[Mnbruce]

Originally Posted by gingele

You are presuming that DH gives a **** about the accuracy of his copypasta.