Presidential Campaign: 2012

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

I googled it

[roni]

The library, home and public

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Jacko

I like that one. I'll be sending that around to some people. Have often had similar thoughts.

On Congress, slap who you want, but I'm just happy it's Republican members who are clearly looking so bad. Making themselves look so bad. (Really bad.) Making it easy on people to see a key difference or two in the parties. This keeps up and it should be a more enjoyable election for Dems.

[ryberg]

Poll: Most Americans Want Payroll Tax Extension - TIME

Obama Has Upper Hand in Payroll Tax Spat - Ken Walsh's Washington (usnews.com)

Analysis: Republicans risk backlash in 2012 | Reuters

What's behind Obama's rising poll numbers? - CNN.com

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by Jacko

I am not sure if it is a hoax or not...all the Wall Street Journal did was print a press release of one study in their Market Watch section, right?

No Jacko its not a hoax.. by definition anyway But that wasn't my point to begin with.

Seems that the Professor missed that my reason for posting the article was in response to Spazs comment that we should just blow up Iran or something to that effect. I posted that article to show that there is consequences to messing (bombing) with nuclear power. The Professor and i were debating the evidence thats out there on how far Irans nuclear program regarding weapons has gotten and i argued that we should be careful how we react (war) especially in light of the crap the Bush administration fed us. Now i say contrary to what the professor says regarding the author of the article that the author has more credibility with me than some guy who claims to be a expert in pork tacos

Janette Sherman, M.D. specializes in internal medicine and toxicology with an emphasis on chemicals and nuclear radiation that cause illness, including cancer and birth defects. She graduated from Western Michigan University with majors in biology and chemistry and from the Wayne State University College of Medicine.
Wouldn't you agree? And i would rather err in the side of caution when it comes to radiation than foolishly brush it off as quackery.

Back to 2012 campaigning ..Lets see how Ron Pauls doing in Iowa?

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Poll: Most Americans Want Payroll Tax Extension - TIME

Obama Has Upper Hand in Payroll Tax Spat - Ken Walsh's Washington (usnews.com)

Analysis: Republicans risk backlash in 2012 | Reuters

What's behind Obama's rising poll numbers? - CNN.com

You forgot to mention this Steve...
Yet another new poll has highlighted the fact that Ron Paul is the strongest GOP candidate when it comes to a hypothetical general election match up with Barack Obama.
The CNN / ORC poll shows Paul bettering Obama 47 to 46 percent among “the most reliable” group of voters, those who are 65 years and older. Paul attracts more independents than Obama by 48 to 47 percent. The Congressman also betters Obama 51 to 46 percent among white voters and betters the incumbent president 52 to 44 percent among voters residing in rural areas.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Poll: Most Americans Want Payroll Tax Extension - TIME

Obama Has Upper Hand in Payroll Tax Spat - Ken Walsh's Washington (usnews.com)

Analysis: Republicans risk backlash in 2012 | Reuters

What's behind Obama's rising poll numbers? - CNN.com

Who's against it .. Democrats want a 60 day extentsion Republicans want it to be 1 yr...

[roni]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Who's against it .. Democrats want a 60 day extentsion Republicans want it to be 1 yr...

A lot of Republicans are against it. They would not vote for it without adding a lot of non-related things to it, things that they wanted, so that is what their lack of leadership in the House did.

You know that.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by roni

A lot of Republicans are against it. They would not vote for it without adding a lot of non-related things to it, things that they wanted, so that is what their lack of leadership in the House did.

You know that.

Ya like liberals never did that with war funding ... Please.. the lack of leadership is from Obama.. that is clear to most people.. and the add on that is the hang up for Democrats that Republicans want is called the Keystone pipeline.. 100,000 union jobs that enviromentalist hate which has the Democrats and Obama is a bad way if He makes a decesion before the election with 1 part of the base or the other.... So the want to PUNT..Which will most likely cost the US a friendly oil supply and 100,000 jobs to China While claiming its about the payroll tax cuts and blame it on Republicans .. but you know that...

[roni]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Ya like liberals never did that with war funding ... Please.. the lack of leadership is from Obama.. that is clear to most people.. and the add on that is the hang up for Democrats that Republicans want is called the Keystone pipeline.. 100,000 union jobs that enviromentalist hate which has the Democrats and Obama is a bad way if He makes a decesion before the election with 1 part of the base or the other.... So the want to PUNT..Which will most likely cost the US a friendly oil supply and 100,000 jobs to China While claiming its about the payroll tax cuts and blame it on Republicans .. but you know that...

I have read this several times.

Could you please make it more coherent and understandable.

Oh, and use actual facts about the number of jobs Keystone would create instead of your fantasy number.

thanks

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Who's against it .. Democrats want a 60 day extentsion Republicans want it to be 1 yr...

Mm-hmm... I'm sure that's how American voters see it, too.

[beerbreath]

The more Republicans show their true colours the better Obama's numbers look.

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by roni

I have read this several times.

Could you please make it more coherent and understandable.

Oh, and use actual facts about the number of jobs Keystone would create instead of your fantasy number.

thanks

Here I'll help DH with the job stats.
The Keystone pipeline will create 20,000 jobs ... or 100,000 jobs?

TransCanada commissioned a study that said construction of the pipeline would create 20,000 construction jobs, and more than 100,000 spin-off jobs. Republican (and a few Democratic) supporters have been only too happy to repeat these numbers in speeches in support of the pipeline.

The State Department, in its study, came up with a more modest figure of 5,000 to 6,000 construction jobs.

The discrepancy comes from how the TransCanada study calculated the jobs. That study used a "one person, one year model." So if it takes 6,500 workers two years to build the pipeline, that's 13,000 jobs, with the other 7,000 coming from supply manufacturers.

And if that math isn't fuzzy enough for you, take a look at the calculations for the 118,000 spin-off jobs.

That number is based on the one person, one-year model in addition to something called the multiplier effect, which takes the capital costs of the project and feeds it into a formula. In short, these job numbers are about as reliable as a politician's campaign promise.

And yet one more delicious irony: Back in 2009, Republicans complained that the $787 billion stimulus package failed to create long-term stability given that many of the jobs created only lasted as long as the public works projects that were proposed.

Democrats defended the temporary nature of the employment, arguing that it was a necessary step in order to boost economic demand around the country. Now it's the Democrats arguing that the Keystone project fails to create permanent jobs, while Republicans argue the project is needed to combat unemployment. Go figure

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by Robinhood

Here I'll help DH with the job stats.
The Keystone pipeline will create 20,000 jobs ... or 100,000 jobs?

TransCanada commissioned a study that said construction of the pipeline would create 20,000 construction jobs, and more than 100,000 spin-off jobs. Republican (and a few Democratic) supporters have been only too happy to repeat these numbers in speeches in support of the pipeline.

The State Department, in its study, came up with a more modest figure of 5,000 to 6,000 construction jobs.

The discrepancy comes from how the TransCanada study calculated the jobs. That study used a "one person, one year model." So if it takes 6,500 workers two years to build the pipeline, that's 13,000 jobs, with the other 7,000 coming from supply manufacturers.

And if that math isn't fuzzy enough for you, take a look at the calculations for the 118,000 spin-off jobs.

That number is based on the one person, one-year model in addition to something called the multiplier effect, which takes the capital costs of the project and feeds it into a formula. In short, these job numbers are about as reliable as a politician's campaign promise.

And yet one more delicious irony: Back in 2009, Republicans complained that the $787 billion stimulus package failed to create long-term stability given that many of the jobs created only lasted as long as the public works projects that were proposed.

Democrats defended the temporary nature of the employment, arguing that it was a necessary step in order to boost economic demand around the country. Now it's the Democrats arguing that the Keystone project fails to create permanent jobs, while Republicans argue the project is needed to combat unemployment. Go figure

Or even fewer...from here

Independent studies by the University of Cornell Labor Institute and the State Department further confirmed by the Washington Post report that actual job creation numbers are much much lower.

[Jacko]

Signs Point to Economy’s Rise, but Experts See a False Dawn

Most worrying is the prospect that Congress will drop aid for the long-term jobless and allow payroll taxes to rise to 6.2 percent from the current level of 4.2 percent, amounting to a $1,000 tax increase on the average wage earner. Macroeconomic Advisers, a prominent forecaster, estimates that the expiration of the two provisions could cost the economy 400,000 jobs and cut growth by half a percentage point next year.