The new Bennetton GOP (?)

[MWC]

Originally Posted by StephenB

My problem is that it is free money coming the rest of us taxpayers. I don't like the concept of it. I bust my ass and pay a lot of taxes and I am just middle class. I don't like the idea of the government telling me they are going to take that money I'm sending them and hand it out to people who are not paying any taxes. That really pisses me off.

But would your tax rates go up under Obama's proposed plan?
(I will admit ignorance if tax code issues are included in the releif/stimulus plan before Congress right now)
Last I heard during the presidential race, the cut off was somewhere around $150,000/annual? (And I'm not sure about that; the figure I heard most was $250,000)

[user 6507]

Originally Posted by MWC

But would your tax rates go up under Obama's proposed plan?
(I will admit ignorance if tax code issues are included in the releif/stimulus plan before Congress right now)
Last I heard during the presidential race, the cut off was somewhere around $150,000/annual? (And I'm not sure about that; the figure I heard most was $250,000)

Technically no, our taxes wouldn't go up...we are waaaayy under that cutoff!

I'm not an economist, but I just don't see how you can spend skillions of new dollars, cut taxes and hand out tax rebates to people who don't pay taxes-all at the same time If you give money to people who don't pay taxes, you are diverting money that would otherwise go towards programs- programs that are already underfunded. Our deficit is a catastrophe, and printing more money just cheapens the money that's already on the street. I just feel sorry for the kids that are going to wind up paying for this grand experiment. I just never could figure out how to spend more money than you take in. Everyone seems to want to make that little equation more complicated than it is. This is real scary stuff.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by StephenB

Technically no, our taxes wouldn't go up...we are waaaayy under that cutoff!

I'm not an economist, but I just don't see how you can spend skillions of new dollars, cut taxes and hand out tax rebates to people who don't pay taxes-all at the same time If you give money to people who don't pay taxes, you are diverting money that would otherwise go towards programs- programs that are already underfunded. Our deficit is a catastrophe, and printing more money just cheapens the money that's already on the street. I just feel sorry for the kids that are going to wind up paying for this grand experiment. I just never could figure out how to spend more money than you take in. Everyone seems to want to make that little equation more complicated than it is. This is real scary stuff.

Seems like the bolded part was the Bush admin approach, except that the tax cuts went to the people who needed them the least of all.

Steve

[user 6507]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Seems like the bolded part was the Bush admin approach, except that the tax cuts went to the people who needed them the least of all.

Steve

You never miss a chance do you? You do know that if Obama fails it will be GW's fault...right?

[tmc]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Seems like the bolded part was the Bush admin approach, except that the tax cuts went to the people who needed them the least of all.

Steve

Who are you to decide who needs the money or not, its my(your) money, not the governments!!

So is this another road that Obama plans to take that mimics the Bush walk; I thought he was all about change?

[tmc]

Originally Posted by Jacko

I believe many are sacrificing plenty right now....and indeed many have been sacrificing for some time now...they are not looking for a free lunch...they would like a decent job they can make a living at....that is all.

It is true that many are sacrificing now, but there are also a large number of people waiting for the government to rescue them at the expense of their neighbor; it is the latter population to whom I refer.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by tmc

It is true that many are sacrificing now, but there are also a large number of people waiting for the government to rescue them at the expense of their neighbor; it is the latter population to whom I refer.

Who are these people? What is a large number?

Seriously, I am interested in knowing why you think this as opposed to focusing your attention on helping the people who are truly just in need of a good job right now? I mean we know a great deal about these jobless people objectively...not so much regarding your "large" group who " are waiting for a government rescue at the expense of their neighbor".

[tmc]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Who are these people? What is a large number?

Seriously, I am interested in knowing why you think this as opposed to focusing your attention on helping the people who are truly just in need of a good job right now? I mean we know a great deal about these jobless people objectively...not so much regarding your "large" group who " are waiting for a government rescue at the expense of their neighbor".

I am not focusing any attention on them, except to answer your questions. My point was to counter a claim made by Roni earlier regarding Mr. Steele, and was not tied to the current economic woes suffered by some, as you seem to infer.

[roni]

Originally Posted by tmc

I am not focusing any attention on them, except to answer your questions. My point was to counter a claim made by Roni earlier regarding Mr. Steele, and was not tied to the current economic woes suffered by some, as you seem to infer.

I quoted Mr. Steele, yes I did.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by StephenB

You never miss a chance do you? You do know that if Obama fails it will be GW's fault...right?

Originally Posted by tmc

Who are you to decide who needs the money or not, its my(your) money, not the governments!!

So is this another road that Obama plans to take that mimics the Bush walk; I thought he was all about change?

You hyper-defensive, it's-my-my-my-money! conservatives are too funny. All I did was remark that what Stephen was complaining about was rather similar to what the Bush years gave us, only arguably less logical on the point noted.

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!

Steve

[STOGEY]

Steve you portray yourself as not being a racist, but you seem to think that the only way for the republicans to get back on its feet is if the majority of the leadership were to be black.

As far as the numbers are concerned if the 2 million conservative voters voted instead of staying home. McCain would have been our president not Baracko. These conservatives staterd home, because they thought that McCain wasn't really what he says he was.

[user 6507]

The really sick part is that when we get a refund or any money back, we spend it to pay other taxes! Just for once I'd like to be able to spend that of beer and cigs!!

[horizon200]

Originally Posted by StephenB

The really sick part is that when we get a refund or any money back, we spend it to pay other taxes! Just for once I'd like to be able to spend that of beer and cigs!!

I saw Meghan Kelly on Fox this AM getting really upset with the comptroller from California over the IOU's they are sending to people. She said people are really depending on that money!

If those people are "depending" on a tax refund, then they need take a finance 101 course. The idea is not to use the tax system as a savings account, but to adjust witholding to break even.

[tmc]

Originally Posted by ryberg

You hyper-defensive, it's-my-my-my-money! conservatives are too funny. All I did was remark that what Stephen was complaining about was rather similar to what the Bush years gave us, only arguably less logical on the point noted.

I fail to see the logic you do, just because somebody earns more money does not mean he needs it any less than you do your money, and therefore should not be seen as a cash cow to be drained at the whim of tax cheating politicians.

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!

Steve

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by STOGEY

Steve you portray yourself as not being a racist, but you seem to think that the only way for the republicans to get back on its feet is if the majority of the leadership were to be black...

Yes, Stogey -- exactly.That´s precisely what I think, and exactly what I have said here, as well. I congratulate you on your 100% completely accurate grasp of my view. It´s remarkable how on target you are with this. You´re not off even one iota off with it! The interpretation of my comments is perfect, astute -- even insightful. Wow. I mean, one would never guess it, since I said NOTHINGto lead one to believe this sort of view whatsoever, but really you went right to the kernel of the whole thing! I´m astonished at your surgical scalpel-like ability to cut to the core. Congratulations. My hat is off to you.

Me not being one to advocate openly hat-wearting behavior, anyway, you know.

Steve