US Soldier guilty

[MaripositaII]

Originally Posted by TJordan

I do understand how the "other side" feels when somethign like this happens.

I will always support my countries troops though. Through the good and the bad.

No one is saying you shouldn't.

They also should support theirs as well.

Obviously the military does not support the deeds committed. Imagine if our military supported their soldiers no matter what acts they committed? Imagine if they only said to them, "naughty-naughty" please don't ever let this happen again. There are rules.

[Luv2Dance]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

Well apparently Cpt Derrick Grace would disagree with you.

This I found disturbing though:


"The victims were a group of Iraqis who were detained briefly and questioned over an attack on a Baghdad military base.

Leahy was one of a group of soldiers who took detainees away after it was decided there was not enough evidence to charge them.

Blindfolded and gagged, the four were then shot and dumped in a canal.
During interrogation in January 2008, Leahy told military investigators he had shot an Iraqi in the back of the head with a pistol."


I somehow don't think the US military trains their soldiers to do these types of acts, but again, quien sabe what was going through his/their minds.

This disturbs me.............
Excerpts:

"An Iraqi soldier shot and killed two U.S. soldiers and wounded at least six others Wednesday in Mosul, the American military said."

and this.......

"It said he fired a "drum load" of ammunition at American soldiers. A drum load holds a "significantly" higher number of bullets than the magazine that's issued to Iraqi soldiers. U.S. Army spokeswoman Maj. Peggy Kageleiry said Mohammed said something to another Iraqi soldier and began shooting the Americans. "


and this.....

"There was no communication. This guy walked into the courtyard and said something and started shooting," Kageleiry said. "This is completely unexpected. These soldiers have a really good relationship with their Iraqi counterparts. We have no idea why this lone Iraqi soldier would do this."


McClatchy Washington Bureau | 11/12/2008 | Iraqi soldier shoots and kills U.S. troops

[MaripositaII]

Originally Posted by Luv2Dance

This disturbs me.............
Excerpts:

"An Iraqi soldier shot and killed two U.S. soldiers and wounded at least six others Wednesday in Mosul, the American military said."

and this.......

"It said he fired a "drum load" of ammunition at American soldiers. A drum load holds a "significantly" higher number of bullets than the magazine that's issued to Iraqi soldiers. U.S. Army spokeswoman Maj. Peggy Kageleiry said Mohammed said something to another Iraqi soldier and began shooting the Americans. "


and this.....

"There was no communication. This guy walked into the courtyard and said something and started shooting," Kageleiry said. "This is completely unexpected. These soldiers have a really good relationship with their Iraqi counterparts. We have no idea why this lone Iraqi soldier would do this."


McClatchy Washington Bureau | 11/12/2008 | Iraqi soldier shoots and kills U.S. troops

According to TJ's thinking, both our soldiers and the Iraqi's should not be judged for their actions. It's war after all....

[Luv2Dance]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

According to TJ's thinking, both our soldiers and the Iraqi's should not be judged for their actions. It's war after all....

Perhaps he is familiar with your posting style and threads you've started in the past? I'm curious why you jumped at the chance to post this. Was there any discussion about the link I just posted, in the past on this forum? I may have missed it. You didn't start a thread about that incident did you?

[Uno]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

According to TJ's thinking, both our soldiers and the Iraqi's should not be judged for their actions. It's war after all....

In a sense.... That is right. But I'm going to back my side rather than theirs.

They will kill us if given a chance and call us war criminals. Do you think if we pulled out all of our forces from around the world things would just be okay?

Do you you think there would not be a call for U.S. help to end atrocities around the world? (Africa for instance)

It seems we're damned if we do, damned if we don't.

[TJordan]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

According to TJ's thinking, both our soldiers and the Iraqi's should not be judged for their actions. It's war after all....

Not what I was trying to say

The Iraqi's are the enemy

[Uno]

Originally Posted by TJordan

Not what I was trying to say

The Iraqi's are the enemy

And to be fair. WE ARE THEIRS. Not going to fault them for doing what they believe is right. But I'm sure as hell not going to let them kill me either. Like you said. It IS war.

[MaripositaII]

Originally Posted by TJordan

Not what I was trying to say

The Iraqi's are the enemy

I understand the whole thinking behind war, and that is true. At this point, to our soldiers, they are the enemy.

But to the soldiers of Iraq, we are theirs, not so?

War is senseless, and I know some say it's a necessary evil, but I don't get it.

[Uno]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

I understand the whole thinking behind war, and that is true. At this point, to our soldiers, they are the enemy.

But to the soldiers of Iraq, we are theirs, not so?

War is senseless, and I know some say it's a necessary evil, but I don't get it.

No I don't get or support why our government put us their. But my concern is on the battle field. As long as our soldiers are there, they need to use their best judgment to stay alive (or keep other people alive) Sometimes that judgment will be skewed. I don't think explosions and machine gun fire make for the best meditation environment.

[MaripositaII]

Originally Posted by UnoMasMezcal

No I don't get or support why our government put us their. But my concern is on the battle field. As long as our soldiers are there, they need to use their best judgment to stay alive (or keep other people alive) Sometimes that judgment will be skewed. I don't think explosions and machine gun fire make for the best meditation environment.

I am not disagreeing with you, but I am simply saying the same way we can understand to some extent, that our soldiers do whatever it takes to survive, is the same way the "enemy" (whomever that might be at the time), also has similar feelings.

Remember, we invaded Iraq. Are they supposed to see us as buddies? When Japan gave us that little surprise in Pearl Harbour, was that a friendly attack? We didn't like it, did we?

[Guitar Playa]

Originally Posted by TJordan

defending our freedoms as a country

Um care to elaborate on how the Iraqi people are threatening your country's freedom?

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

I understand the whole thinking behind war, and that is true. At this point, to our soldiers, they are the enemy.

But to the soldiers of Iraq, we are theirs, not so?

War is senseless, and I know some say it's a necessary evil, but I don't get it.

Wow I wonder how many Jews think that war is senseless.......

[Uno]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

I am not disagreeing with you, but I am simply saying the same way we can understand to some extent, that our soldiers do whatever it takes to survive, is the same way the "enemy" (whomever that might be at the time), also has similar feelings.

Remember, we invaded Iraq. Are they supposed to see us as buddies? When Japan gave us that little surprise in Pearl Harbour, was that a friendly attack? We didn't like it, did we?

So again. Do we pull out and sit back with bag of popcorn and watch the genocide?

[TJordan]

Originally Posted by Guitar Playa

Um care to elaborate on how the Iraqi people are threatening your country's freedom?

Our soldiers are off defending our country from our enemies.
These are amazing men and women who are doing that.

They do as they are ordered and never look back.


Our freedom?
Maybe they're not, but they sure as hell are fighting for the safety of our country, and I'm not talking about just Iraq, either.

[MaripositaII]

Originally Posted by UnoMasMezcal

So again. Do we pull out and sit back with bag of popcorn and watch the genocide?

Was that the reason we went in?

I thought Dubya was after WMDs. I don't recall the purpose being to stop genocide. Maybe I missed out on that part of the news?