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Old 03-11-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Beach Recuperation Project: 2009 Edition

Reports continue to come out that a new beach recuperation project for Cancun, Playa and Cozumel is about to begin. One today -- found both here and here -- say the work will start April 1st (in some capacity, at least), and in Playa, will over both central PDC, between the piers, and Playacar Fase 1.

On a related point, the article here says that the structure in the water in front of the GPR, immediately south of the new pier, will finally be removed, after years of protest from environmentalists and fishermen. Of interest is there note that there are 38 such things in the water in Playacar. One wonders at that lack of mention of removing any of those, even while the other articles talk about beach recuperation. Could this possibly have something to do with the recent moves towards operation of the new pier?

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Fuera escolleras del Porto Real
Alrededor de las cuatro de la tarde de este miércoles maquinaria pesada inició con el retiro de las escolleras del hotel Porto Real que durante 12 años fueron colocadas por parte del empresario Fernando García Zalvidea, quien en reciente plática con el presidente municipal comprometió en removerlas por el inicio del proyecto de recuperación de playas; lancheros aplauden la decisión del empresario porque fue uno de los principales factores para la erosión de los arenales...
Interesting to note the bolded part above -- that it's being removed prior to the beginning of the beach recuperation project -- even while there is no mention yet of the removal of the 38 such things in Playacar (noted in previous links), which will also be the focus of the beach recuperation project.

Unless, of course, it's not really being removed because of the beach recuperation project...

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A better pic, courtesy of our guests Don & Deb:
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Of interest is there note that there are 38 such things in the water in Playacar. One wonders at that lack of mention of removing any of those, even while the other articles talk about beach recuperation.
As the article does not mention any beach restoration project for Playacar it would not be logical to mention removing the objects in an area where there will not be a beach restoration. The article mentions beach restoration as follows:
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4.2 kilómetros de playas ubicadas entre el hotel Porto Real y Playacar I fase
In other words the 4.2 km between the Porto Real and the the start of Playacar Phase one.

Or have I just misread the article?
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Hi, Michael! Nice to see you here.

Well, there are varying reports, and in fact Delmy told me the first one she saw said the project would cover Playacar but not central PDC. So my only surprise here was that they were saying it would in fact cover central PDC, as well. And since there have been complaints online since late 2005 or early 2006 about the beach situation in Playacar, well I just didn't even think about your question.

However, if I remember correctly from an old conversation with Laura (= Mapchick) on this topic (or maybe it was Perry, not sure), central PDC, or the distance between the 2 piers, is not even quite a mile, and then going on from there through Playacar adds something like 1.75 miles, and so 4.2 km would just about precisely cover all of that, wouldn't it? Because 4.2 km would be about 2.6 mi...

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Hi, Michael! Nice to see you here.

Well, there are varying reports, and in fact Delmy told me the first one she saw said the project would cover Playacar but not central PDC. So my only surprise here was that they were saying it would in fact cover central PDC, as well. And since there have been complaints online since late 2005 or early 2006 about the beach situation in Playacar, well I just didn't even think about your question.

However, if I remember correctly from an old conversation with Laura (= Mapchick) on this topic (or maybe it was Perry, not sure), central PDC, or the distance between the 2 piers, is not even quite a mile, and then going on from there through Playacar adds something like 1.75 miles, and so 4.2 km would just about precisely cover all of that, wouldn't it? Because 4.2 km would be about 2.6 mi...

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They may go into Playacar and they may not. I can cite strong evidence for both cases, and as you know my wife is an owner in Phase 1. So we have all of the "facts". We'll really only know after the work is done. Even on the day the bill arrives I won't have any confidence, of the outcome or what they are charging us for.

My point was simply that the article says the reclamation project will end at the start of phase one. And so there would be reason to mention the "objects" in Playacar.

With my alternate agenda being to flush out any other "facts" regarding the project (thank you for those).

What actually happens with reclamation project is another matter.....I'm sure it will all be sudden like the pier.

http://www.playa.info/playa-del-carm...447-post1.html

Still a favorite post from 2006. How is that demolition coming along......?
(rhetorical).

If I had the patience I'd revive the old beach reclamation posts, there may have even been a thread (though the thread was probably about Cancun). It is so long ago (many years) that I can't remember the details, but I'm sure they were just ready to get started in Playacar.

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Well in my defense, I see that in the I started and ended the post you reference as follows:

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Not sure about posting this because this issue has been going on so long and nothing has happened ...

So now we see what will happen next...
So I'm aware that there's a healthy degree of skepticism that has to come with any such reports!

I assumed that the wording was either just less careful than it should have been or that the word entre can have an inclusive reading in Spanish, in contrast to the exclusive reading you get in English. Delmy's not around or I'd ask her on the latter one, but as she also said, seems hard to imagine that they'd do central PDC but not Playacar, given the situation over the past 2-3 years and comments coming back from visitors to the latter, and so on. I'd think it would be more likely that it just doesn't happen at all, anywhere in Playa, than that they would do central PDC but not Playacar...

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However, if I remember correctly from an old conversation with Laura (= Mapchick) on this topic (or maybe it was Perry, not sure), central PDC, or the distance between the 2 piers, is not even quite a mile, and then going on from there through Playacar adds something like 1.75 miles, and so 4.2 km would just about precisely cover all of that, wouldn't it? Because 4.2 km would be about 2.6 mi...

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You raise a very good point here. Although description of the area subject to beach reclamation excludes Playacar phase 1 (probably) and certainly excludes Playacar phase 2.

If you throw out the description and simply use the distance, then you are exactly right. The distance from the north pier to the southern tip of Playacar Phase 2 is 4.2 km.

Actually it is quiet clever of the journalist to get both contradictory versions of the scope of the beach project into one article whilst burying the contradiction. The journalist in question could get a job here covering Obama.

I'm expecting the beach reclamation project to go ahead (one of these years).....but that probably just makes me look like the people that believe in the new airport and the tooth fairy.
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Don't know that we should go too far with that that reading of it as potentially intentional on the writer's part, given that you have to posit a high level of thought and skill where positing rather less of the same might explain the situation and better satisfy old William of Occam. But it's an interesting point!

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A better pic, courtesy of our guests Don & Deb:

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Steve, I was wondering if the removal of the sand bag jetty has helped to start to flush out the sandbag lined GPR cove. Some days, prior to its removal, the water looked less then welcoming.

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Steve, I was wondering if the removal of the sand bag jetty has helped to start to flush out the sandbag lined GPR cove. Some days, prior to its removal, the water looked less then welcoming.

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That beach looked great when we were there 2 weeks ago. Best we have seen it in the last 8 years.
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That beach looked great when we were there 2 weeks ago. Best we have seen it in the last 8 years.
Vivamex,

Appreciate your response, I am heading down in May and will update then.

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The beach in front of Zenzi is bigger everyday.
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The beach in front of Zenzi is bigger everyday.
Ok Jez, with that being said, how about some pictures of the beach at Zenzi? Steve, you too......I'm living vicariously through this board until mid-May and I haven't seen you post pictures of the beach in a while.....pictures of beach please!!!!!
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Ok Jez, with that being said, how about some pictures of the beach at Zenzi? Steve, you too......I'm living vicariously through this board until mid-May and I haven't seen you post pictures of the beach in a while.....pictures of beach please!!!!!
I am terrible at posting pics on this board, all the resizing thing does my head in! Still there are loads on facebook. Look up our page "Zenzi Playa Del Carmen" or become a friend of "Zenzi Jez".

I am looking at the beach as I write this and the width of the beach is probably an additional 15feet since the end of January!
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