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Old 03-15-2009   #31 (permalink)
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Yes. It is only the caffeine which brings it on. If I were manifesting some other fear, that would be projection. As in, I saw a scary movie and am thinking creepy thoughts and am therefore weirded out by the way the light shines on the shed outside. This feeling comes for no reason. Are random succubi floating around the dream world? I dunno.
Or is it just that you do not (yet) know the reason?

(and I keep hoping for more succubi)
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I used to have those dreams, or whatever you want to call them. Not fun. Haven't had one in a long time. But I thought about them recently when I heard of some of these cases where people say they were not properly anesthetized during an operation so they couldn't move or speak or really do anything to get help, but could feel what was being done to them (horribly). For me, that's sort of what those were like...

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I thought this was an older thread bumped up- we had a thread by the same title about religion once before, I think.


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Fear and pack behavior in a very complex world that seems more complex sometimes than we are capable of understanding....I believe the veil of our civilized being is very thin.....we are first and foremost human animals.

Yes, we are..... the thin veil is thin indeed, that is easy to see, just watch the news any night.

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I just wonder what it is that drives these people. Life and the world aren't interesting and entertaining enough, as it is? The need for an explanation as to why the world isn't just the way they want it to be, socially or politically? Or maybe following that, a sort of modern substitute (at least for some) for religion? Or fear of... well, maybe just about everything they don't control, or something?

Fear. Coupled with a desire for the most imaginative and creative and interesting explanation, which I think is a basic trail of intelligent and imaginative creatures.

Not to mention a sense of our inflated importance, ('created in a gods' image' - talk about inflated importance! ).

That to me explains everything from religions to UFO and crop circles to belief in the paranormal.

Fear of death, and fear of a meaningless existence, is the biggest one, I think. I am not sure if it takes more or less courage to believe we are just random and insignificant.
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Now talk about books! Get some Castaņeda in ya mind.

No, no -- don't overestimate what I'm saying. I too appreciate what I do think is a very human drive for understanding and explanation and answers to questions about our existence and so forth. (I think I've said as much before on other threads here, including recently.) But I guess I'm wondering about the line between that drive to find something meaningful about those sorts of things and a sort of willingness -- even eagerness, it seems, in some cases -- to believe maybe just about anything that comes along... A kind of rush to jettison reason and the need for evidence, or something...

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You know that sort of thing is my pet peeve. Whether it's Monavie, or pyramid schemes (that is easy, though- it's pure greed to become rich). Or whether it's Intelligent Design or haunted houses or having a debate about global warming not based on science, but personal opinion.

I blame it on plain old ignorance, combined with a sort of desperation to believe what we want to be reality and not acceptance of what the reality actually is.
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Fear. Coupled with a desire for the most imaginative and creative and interesting explanation, which I think is a basic trail of intelligent and imaginative creatures.

Not to mention a sense of our inflated importance, ('created in a gods' image' - talk about inflated importance! ).

That to me explains everything from religions to UFO and crop circles to belief in the paranormal.

Fear of death, and fear of a meaningless existence, is the biggest one, I think. I am not sure if it takes more or less courage to believe we are just random and insignificant.
I would not lump UFOs in with religion. There is a good deal based on science which would point us toward the conclusion that there is other intelligent life in the universe.
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I would not lump UFOs in with religion. There is a good deal based on science which would point us toward the conclusion that there is other intelligent life in the universe.
I am referring to the stories of people sighting them.... and also the stories of people being abducted.

I don't believe they are visiting earth - although I think it is likely there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and almost certainly simpler life.
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I am referring to the stories of people sighting them.... and also the stories of people being abducted.

I don't believe they are visiting earth - although I think it is likely there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and almost certainly simpler life.
They're just snobby and don't care to come visit us huh.
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They're just snobby and don't care to come visit us huh.




Do you think they are visiting us?

Or was that just a joke?


Are we visiting other planets? Do you have any idea how unlikely space travel is, no matter how advanced a civization may be? Or do you think maybe one day it will be physically impossible to travel at speeds faster than the speed of light? Worm holes, anyone? Beam me up, Scotty?

Read up and see how far away the nearest solar system that even has a remote chance of life at any stage....and then tell me you think it's rational to believe that they are making the hundreds of light years journey and flitting over here to little old Earth JUST to kidnap some farmer from Kansas and stick probes up his butt ...and then just leave again. Not bloody likely.
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I must say that I have never heard it put in such an entertaining way as that last bit, there.

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I must say that I have never heard it put in such an entertaining way as that last bit, there.

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I read a really interesting article once about reports of alien visitation. The parallels drawn between certain facts was really funny.

For instance, the reports mostly only started after War of the Worlds was on the radio in the early 20th century.

And then every time throughout the 20th century, whenever there was a popular book or movie out about science fiction or aliens, there would be this glut of people making reports of seeing UFOs and such.

And you can guess when the most reports of abductions happened...yep that is right, after Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind was a smash hit.

And take a look where these reports are coming from...mostly the US, with the rest in Canada and other first world countries. Hmmm.

mass hysteria
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I read a really interesting article once about reports of alien visitation. The parallels drawn between certain facts was really funny.

For instance, the reports mostly only started after War of the Worlds was on the radio in the early 20th century.

And then every time throughout the 20th century, whenever there was a popular book or movie out about science fiction or aliens, there would be this glut of people making reports of seeing UFOs and such.

And you can guess when the most reports of abductions happened...yep that is right, after Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind was a smash hit.

And take a look where these reports are coming from...mostly the US, with the rest in Canada and other first world countries. Hmmm.

mass hysteria
You're really tempting fate here. I mean, they could be listening.


Mostly kidding, a little bit not.
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I must say that I have never heard it put in such an entertaining way as that last bit, there.

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Exactly.
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You're really tempting fate here. I mean, they could be listening.


Mostly kidding, a little bit not.

Well, hey, you never know...they could be listening...they could be here, for all we know.

Tom Cruise knows
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Well, hey, you never know...they could be listening...they could be here, for all we know.

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You could be a cylon!
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