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Old 04-25-2009   #46 (permalink)
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Just got back from Playa on Wed night and the only flu I got was self inflicted from drinking too much "Mexican Water" one night. Didn't even hear about the flu until we got back, and no I didn't get my flu shot.
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Two weeks from today we will be in PDC and are not going to worry about the flu (or the weather). I think the reminder of washing your hands and being careful will take care of any concerns. This does remind me to check our heath insurance coverage in Mexico prior to going.
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Between the economic slowdown, the 24/7 news coverage of the drug related crimewave and now this flue report, Mexico can't seem to get a break. Well I'm doing my part. I'm coming back to Playa for a week (5/16 - 5/23).

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The photo I saw in the paper just this morning was of a family in Mexico city with masks on. The flu cases have been confined to there and a couple of other larger cities, no beach destinations are on the list. 20 people dead confirmed due to this strain of flu and another 40 deaths possible- 900 cases altogether.

It is a strain of swine flu never seen in humans before, an appears to be pretty lethal so they are naturally taking it very seriously.
No cases at all of Canadians returning home infected. (But it is certain our flu shots here would not contain this strain, it's new. The most a flu shot might do is reduce the length and severity of a different type.)

From what I have read, it's not the media being irresponsible at all, it's people blowing it out of proportion because they don't read the FACTS. There are no travel advisories.
Well I don't know. In yesterday afternoon's CDC press conference, for example, the head of that entity said this:

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While we are now working with health officials in Mexico, we’re very early on in those efforts. We’ve only tested a very limited number of samples from Mexico, and we do not have enough information to fully assess the health threat posed by this swine flu virus. We’ve tested 14 samples from Mexico, and seven of those tested positive. We also only had eight confirmed cases in the United States, which makes it hard to draw conclusions about the full spectrum of the clinical picture. We need more comprehensive laboratory analyses and a better understanding of what’s really going on with respect to the number of people who experience influenza-like illness in Mexico. We still do not have enough information to give us any sense of the extent of spread of this virus, and the illness spectrum is not currently known.
So I'm not sure he would even agree with those numbers you mention, and the media is constantly throwing out higher numbers than those.

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In terms of our travel recommendations, at this time there are no recommendations for U.S. travelers to change, restrict or alter their travel plans to Texas, California or Mexico. CDC will be issuing today an outbreak notice for American travelers to Central Mexico and Mexico City. A CDC outbreak notice is designed to inform travelers of an increased health risk due to an outbreak in a limited geographic area. Outbreak notices also get reminders about standard or enhanced recommendations for the region. In this case, we’re reminding travelers about our standard recommendation. Based on the currently available information, CDC is not recommending any additional precautions for travelers to California, Texas or Mexico. Our standard recommendations, however, do remain in place. Cover your cough or your sneeze, wash your hands frequently and see your doctor if you have fever, cough, sore throat, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue, and we do want people to realize that some people have reported diarrhea and vomiting associated with the swine flu.
Similar comments on a a similar lack of such warnings from Canada came out yesterday afternoon, too:

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There's no reason Canadians shouldn't travel to Mexico in the wake of positive swine flu cases being identified in the country, Canada's chief public health officer said Friday.

Dr. David Butler-Jones told a news conference in Ottawa that Canada has not issued a travel advisory telling its citizens to stay away from Mexico, and neither has the U.S. He also noted there have been no human cases of swine flu in Canada.
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Mexican media reports 20 fatalities, plus 40 additional cases, all in Mexico city.

Far more dangerous to cross the road in your home town! Stay indoors everyone....
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I got the numbers from a news article here. Here is another that says up to 60 dead.

People have the right to know all the facts, period, and make up their own minds about whether or not they should travel to areas where there may be disease outbreaks. Does this news affect the Yucatan or Playa directly, NO, not at the moment- but is it worthwhile to know and keep informed about, as a vacationer to Mexico, I would say yes. I understand the inclination of some to shrug it off like it's nothing, but it might well turn out to be something, so better informed than ignorant.

I still say it is not usually the media that gets it wrong, but people misreading or only reading bits and pieces of stories, and twisting things.
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75 NYC students return from Mexico with Flu like symptoms......They and their families have been quarantined.......
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75 NYC students return from Mexico with Flu like symptoms......They and their families have been quarantined.......
Have a link? Is that the same case I referred to above, yesterday?

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I got the numbers from a news article here. Here is another that says up to 60 dead.

People have the right to know all the facts, period, and make up their own minds about whether or not they should travel to areas where there may be disease outbreaks. Does this news affect the Yucatan or Playa directly, NO, not at the moment- but is it worthwhile to know and keep informed about, as a vacationer to Mexico, I would say yes. I understand the inclination of some to shrug it off like it's nothing, but it might well turn out to be something, so better informed than ignorant.

I still say it is not usually the media that gets it wrong, but people misreading or only reading bits and pieces of stories, and twisting things.
I don't know. I'm just quoting a press conference from the head of the CDC from under 24 hours ago, still, at this point. I would think he would have some clear idea of how many deaths had been confirmed as due to this influenza and how many hadn't, or at least that the difference between accurate reports wouldn't be 7 to 60, you know.

You don't wonder about that "up to" wording?

And who's shrugging it off like it's nothing? That's not more of the sort of vague, impressionistic, reading-into-it sort of interpreting of comments here that I was complaining about the other day, is it?

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Whatever happened to the bird flu, did it run a foul?
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Whatever happened to the bird flu, did it run a foul?
This flu has some bird, swine and human genetic material in it
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75 NYC students return from Mexico with Flu like symptoms......They and their families have been quarantined.......
Mexico is kind of big were they returning from Mexico City?

**the second anyone hears about this flu being anywhere near Merida please inform me! I feel safe at this point but information is important.
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Have a link? Is that the same case I referred to above, yesterday?

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Same one.....I missed your post sorry about that.....
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Same one.....I missed your post sorry about that.....
Swabs taken from 8 or 9 of those students were positive for Type A flu. Better tests need done to see if it is this flu we've been chatting about.

Per CNN
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The World Health Organization held an emergency meeting in Geneva on Saturday amid fears that Mexico's outbreak of swine flu may become a worldwide pandemic.

WHO director-general Margaret Chan, who broke off a visit to Washington to return to the organization's headquarters in Switzerland, said the outbreak involves "an animal strain of the H1N1 virus, and it has pandemic potential."

Chan said it's too early to say whether a pandemic will actually occur, but she referred to the outbreak as a "serious situation" that needed to be followed closely.

The new flu strain — combining genetic material typical of avian, swine and human viruses — has killed as many as 68 people among 1,004 suspected cases reported countrywide in Mexico.

Tests confirm 20 people have died of the H1N1 virus, and 48 other deaths were probably due to the same strain.

The WHO convened an expert panel to determine whether to issue any travel advisories or raise the global pandemic alert level.

The organization uses six phases to categorize the risks of such an outbreak and its pandemic alert level is currently at Phase 3 (none or very limited human-to-human transmission).

Phase 6 is "pandemic" — efficient and sustained human-to-human transmission of disease.

Public venues remain closed
On Friday, Mexican authorities closed all schools and other public buildings in the capital in an attempt to contain the outbreak.

The mayor of Mexico City announced on Saturday that all public events would be cancelled for the next 10 days.

Human-to-human transmission of swine flu is thought to spread in the same way as seasonal influenza — through coughing and sneezing, or touching contaminated surfaces.

Officials in Mexico have advised people to avoid customary greetings such as shaking hands or kissing cheeks.

As an added precaution, soldiers have been distributing surgical masks to motorists and pedestrians in downtown Mexico City.

A similar swine flu virus is blamed for causing illness in eight people in Texas and California since last Tuesday. Authorities said all of the U.S. patients are expected to recover.

"This is a particular kind of swine flu and it's actually no longer swine flu, although it came from pigs. It's a new human influenza virus," Allison McGeer, director of infection control at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto told CBC News.

McGeer said it's important to keep the outbreak in perspective.

"We still don't have really good sense of how many people have been infected in Mexico. When people talk about 1,000 people ill and 20 deaths, it sounds like a lot, but in truth for influenza, that's a very small number.

"You need to remember that in Canada alone, which is not that much bigger than Mexico City actually in population terms, 4,000 people die of seasonal flu every year."
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