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Old 04-25-2009   #61 (permalink)
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I got the numbers from a news article here. Here is another that says up to 60 dead.

People have the right to know all the facts, period, and make up their own minds about whether or not they should travel to areas where there may be disease outbreaks. Does this news affect the Yucatan or Playa directly, NO, not at the moment- but is it worthwhile to know and keep informed about, as a vacationer to Mexico, I would say yes. I understand the inclination of some to shrug it off like it's nothing, but it might well turn out to be something, so better informed than ignorant.
I still say it is not usually the media that gets it wrong, but people misreading or only reading bits and pieces of stories, and twisting things.
Zactly...and something like this can blow up in a matter of days....
So I am glad to see some active posting on this subject.
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This flu has some bird, swine and human genetic material in it
I wonder how this flu got human DNA in it? Were you involved somehow?
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I wonder how this flu got human DNA in it? Were you involved somehow?
Not to the best of my knowledge and belief

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Swine flu UK perspective

Not found any travel advisories from UK sources yet... 24 days and hopin alls well.
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I don't know. I'm just quoting a press conference from the head of the CDC from under 24 hours ago, still, at this point. I would think he would have some clear idea of how many deaths had been confirmed as due to this influenza and how many hadn't, or at least that the difference between accurate reports wouldn't be 7 to 60, you know.

You don't wonder about that "up to" wording?

And who's shrugging it off like it's nothing? That's not more of the sort of vague, impressionistic, reading-into-it sort of interpreting of comments here that I was complaining about the other day, is it?

Steve

I just can never undersand why a rational discussion of something that would naturally concern all tourists to all parts of Mexico can't be allowed to progress naturally. There is no harm, is there, as long as there are people posting factual and reliable information as opposed to 'the sky is falling' hysteria- which is always soon corrected around these parts, so no worries.

I imagine the varing numbers are due to it being fairly new, just identified April 18th after all, and naturally it's hard to track perfectly....but just released from here:


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Calling the swine flu outbreak in Mexico and the United States a "public health emergency of international concern," the World Health Organization asked countries around the world Saturday to step up their reporting and surveillance of influenza.

The move signals that the WHO fears the outbreak could spread to other countries and is calling for a co-ordinated international response to contain it.

The new flu strain — combining genetic material typical of avian, swine and human viruses — has killed as many as 68 people among 1,004 suspected cases reported countrywide in Mexico. Tests confirm 20 people have died of the H1N1 virus, and 48 other deaths were probably due to the same strain.

It's hardly some big conspiracy against Mexico either..... flu outbreaks can and do happen all over the world, Toronto had a devil of a time with SARS too, c'est la vie. Flu knows nothing about borders or politics after all. This is nothing to be taken lightly, especially since so many of the victims were an age where people usually don't don't die of the flu. But still important of course to note that dying from even this strain appears to be rare.
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Today's WHO update - three cities in Mexico.

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Influenza-like illness in the United States and Mexico

24 April 2009 -- The United States Government has reported seven confirmed human cases of Swine Influenza A/H1N1 in the USA (five in California and two in Texas) and nine suspect cases. All seven confirmed cases had mild Influenza-Like Illness (ILI), with only one requiring brief hospitalization. No deaths have been reported.

The Government of Mexico has reported three separate events. In the Federal District of Mexico, surveillance began picking up cases of ILI starting 18 March. The number of cases has risen steadily through April and as of 23 April there are now more than 854 cases of pneumonia from the capital. Of those, 59 have died. In San Luis Potosi, in central Mexico, 24 cases of ILI, with three deaths, have been reported. And from Mexicali, near the border with the United States, four cases of ILI, with no deaths, have been reported.

Of the Mexican cases, 18 have been laboratory confirmed in Canada as Swine Influenza A/H1N1, while 12 of those are genetically identical to the Swine Influenza A/H1N1 viruses from California.

The majority of these cases have occurred in otherwise healthy young adults. Influenza normally affects the very young and the very old, but these age groups have not been heavily affected in Mexico.

Because there are human cases associated with an animal influenza virus, and because of the geographical spread of multiple community outbreaks, plus the somewhat unusual age groups affected, these events are of high concern.

The Swine Influenza A/H1N1 viruses characterized in this outbreak have not been previously detected in pigs or humans. The viruses so far characterized have been sensitive to oseltamivir, but resistant to both amantadine and rimantadine.

The World Health Organization has been in constant contact with the health authorities in the United States, Mexico and Canada in order to better understand the risk which these ILI events pose. WHO (and PAHO) is sending missions of experts to Mexico to work with health authorities there. It is helping its Member States to increase field epidemiology activities, laboratory diagnosis and clinical management. Moreover, WHO's partners in the Global Alert and Response Network have been alerted and are ready to assist as requested by the Member States.

WHO acknowledges the United States and Mexico for their proactive reporting and their collaboration with WHO and will continue to work with Member States to further characterize the outbreak.
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CNN just reported two new cases confirmed in Kansas.
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CNN just reported two new cases confirmed in Kansas.
It was just reported that it is a husband and wife in Kansas, and the husband made a recent business trip to Mexico
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How long are flu shots good for ?

I had the flu in 91 and I thought I was going to die.
I missed two weeks of work...it was horrible.
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I just can never undersand why a rational discussion of something that would naturally concern all tourists to all parts of Mexico can't be allowed to progress naturally. There is no harm, is there, as long as there are people posting factual and reliable information as opposed to 'the sky is falling' hysteria- which is always soon corrected around these parts, so no worries.
I imagine the varing numbers are due to it being fairly new, just identified April 18th after all, and naturally it's hard to track perfectly....but just released from here:





It's hardly some big conspiracy against Mexico either..... flu outbreaks can and do happen all over the world, Toronto had a devil of a time with SARS too, c'est la vie. Flu knows nothing about borders or politics after all. This is nothing to be taken lightly, especially since so many of the victims were an age where people usually don't don't die of the flu. But still important of course to note that dying from even this strain appears to be rare.

Thanks you Riss - I have to admit, I am more afraid of the the flu than I am a Hurricance.
I spent two weeks laying next to a toliet with the flu back in the 90s.

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I remember jan and I standing in line for our swine flu shot back in the 70's. First and only shot with an air gun.
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I remember jan and I standing in line for our swine flu shot back in the 70's. First and only shot with an air gun.
You should get a "Gotcha" gun, lot of fun,
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Well, OK, I guess...

I don't really understand the reaction that the discussion isn't being allowed to proceed naturally, or again, see who is shrugging it off as if it were nothing, as you put it. My sense is if anything just the reverse: those who point out the real facts that it's also present in the US or that it's not in the Yucatan region (yet, at least) or that the governments of the US and Canada are not in fact warning people not to travel to Mexico, etc, are seen in your view as somehow taking things too lightly or trying to stifle conversation. But those are also facts...

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On the numbers, well what Roni has recently posted on the other thread here is saying there have been 60+ deaths in Mexico due to influenza like illiness, out of something like 900 reported, but that (and here it references Canadian research) only 18 of the Mexican cases have been confirmed as this new swine flu strain. Perhaps that is the difference?

It may be nothing to write off as just a detail or splitting hairs or something, however, since they also point out that something like 4,000 people die from (regular) influenza each year in Canada alone.

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How long are flu shots good for ?

I had the flu in 91 and I thought I was going to die.
I missed two weeks of work...it was horrible.
I get a flu shot every year
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