Health Care Legislation: USA

[gingele]

Originally Posted by Rissask

and look!

shocker....it IS bullshit.

Health statistics from Investors' Business Daily - snopes.com


Seriously, DH, get a grip and do better research. Please.

You might want to get some ACTUAL facts, though:

Comparison of the health care systems in Canada and the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't give it a moment's thought, Maggie - at this juncture there might be one, maybe two, folks left here who don't realize that most of DH's posts are copypasta crap culled from wingnut viral emails.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by gingele

Don't give it a moment's thought, Maggie - at this juncture there might be one, maybe two, folks left here who don't realize that most of DH's posts are copypasta crap culled from wingnut viral emails.

sigh


I know you are right!

I just really don't think he is a stupid person...but blindly believing things in an e-mail is such a stupid thing to do.

[ryberg]

This was encouraging:

The federal government recovered almost $4.1 billion stolen in health care fraud schemes during fiscal year 2011, Obama administration officials announced Tuesday. The figure is up 58 percent from 2009...

Federal agencies recover more than $4 billion in health care fraud losses - CNN.com

They go on to talk about new task forces set up for this purpose and the nature of the fraud. But the kicker comes at the end:

Officials said the Affordable Care Act helps in the fight against fraud in various ways, including providing $350 million in resources, increasing data sharing, and expanding efforts to get money back after overpayments.

Any of that sound good to opponents of the ACA?

I know if you tell me we spent $350 million but got back over $4 billion, I'm smilin'. That sounds like a downright smart way to do things in the government!

[Davev]

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[horizon200]

Originally Posted by ryberg

This was encouraging:

They go on to talk about new task forces set up for this purpose and the nature of the fraud. But the kicker comes at the end:

Any of that sound good to opponents of the ACA?

I know if you tell me we spent $350 million but got back over $4 billion, I'm smilin'. That sounds like a downright smart way to do things in the government!

It would be more encouraging if there was an avenue that the average Joe could find recourse for (for lack of a better term) reverse fraud!

This fight with Medicare is really starting to wear me down! I think that's their intent!

Administrative law Judge initially found in our favor then had to dismiss as there was a clerical error on the way they read the paperwork.
QIO office will not re-open the case...told me to go to the hospital billing department (sure they'll re-open it when they stand to lose big $$!)
State Dept of Social Svcs submitted case to CMS on our behalf...CMS ruled everything is in order
Contacted Center for Medicare Advocacy yesterday..they gave me three more appeals avenues
Hopefully Medicare Appeals Counsel will remand the case back to the Administrative Law Judge after seeing what the "error" was.

OK, Rant over!

[horizon200]

As I progress forward (BTW, we have now joined the class action suit) I found this law suit that was recently dismissed by a Federal Judge.

No. 11

It's an interesting take on the whole federal benefits thing. Here we have several plaintiffs that are suing Sebeilus because there is no provision to "Opt Out" of the Medicare benefits.

Their private insurers refuse payment because they are "eligible" for medicare. So, they want to waive that eligibility. But there is no avenue for that.

So, there are two arguments the way I see it.

1) Why not argue with the private insurance companies that they are eligible but not receiving so those rules should be changed.
2) Why is there NOT an avenue to waive eligibilty when we have already said Medicare is going bankrupt...here we have people that don't want govt funds but they can't opt out. (though they will likely still have to argue with the private insurer's as just waiving the eligibility wouldn't change the fact they were eligible).

Interesting case!

[ryberg]

Online app for seeing how you benefit from the ACA.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™


Most people want Obamacare repealed and the numbers are higher now than than anytime in the past 8months and growing , I think the mandate which is the heart of Obamacare will be found Un-Constitutional..imagine that.. But Liberal Socialist dont give a damn about the Constitution or what the Majority in this Country want ... They want CONTROL of our lives any way possiable..


But, I hope Democrats keep supporting it all the way till Nov.. Obama hates the Constitution as it gets in his Progressive/Socialist/Marxist way.. But I think The Constitution and the Supreme Court are going to be stronger than Obama and the Democrats in the end..Without a MANDATE.. Its DOA...

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Online app for seeing how you benefit from the ACA.

I would trust this site as much as I would trust Madoff to handle my money...can you pick a site anymore bias?


As for benefits !!! nothing is a free ride .. no free lunch.. So I would say bnefits at what cost ? Liberty !!! No Thanks ! I'll keep my FREEDOM...

Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see how wasteful and poorly anything the Government runs is .... Only a Socialist or lazy ass would want Obamacare.. ..

[roni]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

I would trust this site as much as I would trust Madoff to handle my money...can you pick a site anymore bias?


As for benefits !!! nothing is a free ride .. no free lunch.. So I would say bnefits at what cost ? Liberty !!! No Thanks ! I'll keep my FREEDOM...

Would you please draw a little more direct line between having health insurance and a loss of liberty for us.

Thanks

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by roni

Would you please draw a little more direct line between having health insurance and a loss of liberty for us.

Thanks

Friend, he doesn't think the 2008 election results and what our fairly elected officials then proceeded to do to be any representation of what Americans want. So I don't know that he's going to be able to do that for you.

Just sayin'...

[roni]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Friend, he doesn't think the 2008 election results and what our fairly elected officials then proceeded to do to be any representation of what Americans want. So I don't know that he's going to be able to do that for you.

Just sayin'...

As close as I can tell it is that the individual mandate violates the Freedom to Freeload

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by roni

As close as I can tell it is that the individual mandate violates the Freedom to Freeload

Well that's certainly how Republican front-runner and presidential hopeful Mitt Romney put it in writing, you know, back when he thought health care reform was popular with voters and he thus supported and promoted it.

[ryberg]

Incidentally, this from my strictly non-expert opinion seems like a helpful review of legal points/precedents related to the ACA and upcoming SCOTUS hearings. At least for other non-Gingeles like me.

Health law could hinge on wheat, pot and broccoli - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

[Seakony]

a dear friend of mine uses the VA hospital for healthcare. In the past 3 months, he has been diagnosed with oral cancer and small cell cancer of the lung. They keep making appt.s for him to come in but keep putting off the treatment (radiation and chemo) that he desparately needs. In fact, we know he won't get any treatment for another 2-3 weeks. That's the kind of health care you can expect from the govt. (not to mention the 1 1/2 hours it takes to get to the VA)

Meanwhile, his wife, who is not insured was recently diagnosed with a turmor in her bladder, Her Dr., one of the best in DFW told her he needed to remove it ASAP. She went over to the hospital and they offered her like they do most non-insured patients, a 45% discount. Her dr offered to get it done for free, but she refuses to be a charity case and use a surgeon from the pool. She want's her own dr. Her Dr also will charge her less. She is scheduled to have surgery next week.