Health Care Legislation: USA

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by roni

You should know

I don't need Obamacare.. I earned mine.. as I have suggested others do..Your so big on giving back to the communitry.. this is nothing different .. if someone is looking for more than a free ride .. join the military and give back a little to the country..
and if Illegals where refuse any services that would reduce health and education cost abundantly.. But (D) wont allow that to happen either.. very hypocritical...

[Dan-0]

Originally Posted by Jacko

No, we are on a path where fewer and fewer people will be able to afford health insurance, and fewer small businesses will be able to afford to offer it to their employees.

This is the path that we must change by changing the way we deliver health care to our society.

Agreed, but why is insurance so unaffordable? Why are health insurance and healtcare costs the practically the only things that are recession proof? Their costs continue to skyrocket no batter how bad the economy gets. Is the ACA going to change that one bit? I don't think so.

One insurer covers 95% of those insured in my state. Most people have no choice. Will ACA address that? Repealing archaic interstate commerce laws designed to protect the insurance companies' virtual monopoly would be the first step. Look at what it did to increase competition among car insurance companies.

[roni]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

I don't need Obamacare.. I earned mine..

Now start paying taxes

[deep six]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Yeah, me and Mitt Romney do. And a lot of other people, even the conservatives who originally came up with and pushed the idea of a mandate.

Again, the enforcement mechanism — a fine levied through the IRS — has been laid out clearly and explicitly, and the probability of non-compliance (even of a significant percentage) does not constitute an argument against having a law or attempting to ensure compliance. Not with health care, not with taxes, not with speed limits, not with anything else.

So again, you prefer we be compelled to pay taxes to support irresponsible freeloaders. Just go ahead and own up to it. You'll feel better!

You are to much Ryberg
You are heartless,you probably want illeagle alliens thrown out of the US and stopped from sucking off the tax payers too!These legal and illeagle freeloaders just want a better way of life.

[roni]

Still waiting for your evidence, Dan-0

[deep six]

Originally Posted by roni

Now start paying taxes

He follows the tax code.You are out of line.

[deep six]

Originally Posted by Dan-0

Agreed, but why is insurance so unaffordable? Why are health insurance and healtcare costs the practically the only things that are recession proof? Their costs continue to skyrocket no batter how bad the economy gets. Is the ACA going to change that one bit? I don't think so.

One insurer covers 95% of those insured in my state. Most people have no choice. Will ACA address that? Repealing archaic interstate commerce laws designed to protect the insurance companies' virtual monopoly would be the first step. Look at what it did to increase competition among car insurance companies.

The public option would have helped that problem,but Obama sold that out.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by Dan-0

Agreed, but why is insurance so unaffordable? Why are health insurance and healtcare costs the practically the only things that are recession proof? Their costs continue to skyrocket no batter how bad the economy gets. Is the ACA going to change that one bit? I don't think so.

One insurer covers 95% of those insured in my state. Most people have no choice. Will ACA address that? Repealing archaic interstate commerce laws designed to protect the insurance companies' virtual monopoly would be the first step. Look at what it did to increase competition among car insurance companies.

We need more people to be insured with a minimal level of insurance....this will lower the cost per person.

We need to understand that hidden costs of folks who are not insured, but still ultimately get care in some of the most expensive places and add that into the equation.

We need to get more ethical about our decisions to ensure that very young and old people have affordable health care.

We need a simplified insurance environment to streamline costs.

We need more outcome sensitivity..we have the most expensive healthcare in the world without comparable outcome benefits to our society.

We need to work harder to ferret out insurance fraud.

We need to quit spending such a high percentage of our total healthcare dollar on the last 6 months of life. This is an ethical dilemma we must discuss and resolve.

We need more focus on prevention and less on reaction.

We need to understand the cost/benefit of better insuring our society against the cost/benefits of other places we spend our money (like wars)...

As our society ages, the cost of health care WILL go up...if we change nothing or if we change everything...the goal should be to insure more people at less cost per person while increasing the effectiveness and efficiency of that delivery.

We need each person to have a stake in the cost of their insurance and some choice.

ACA is a start on that path....doing nothing is disastrous..it is time to get started.

[Dan-0]

Originally Posted by roni

Still waiting for your evidence, Dan-0

It will accelerate it in terms of current employers claiming they can't afford health care plans for their employees and, knowing their employees can get government subsidized insurance anyway, dropping group plans to save money. So mediocre-paying jobs that offer average healthcare plans will become primo, sought-after positions. There's your proof.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by Dan-0

It will accelerate it in terms of current employers claiming they can't afford health care plans for their employees and, knowing their employees can get government subsidized insurance anyway, dropping group plans to save money. So mediocre-paying jobs that offer average healthcare plans will become primo, sought-after positions. There's your proof.

The current system of healthcare is accelerating current employers claiming they cannot afford health care plans for their employees.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by Jacko

We need more people to be insured with a minimal level of insurance....this will lower the cost per person.

We need to understand that hidden costs of folks who are not insured, but still ultimately get care in some of the most expensive places and add that into the equation.

We need to get more ethical about our decisions to ensure that very young and old people have affordable health care.

We need a simplified insurance environment to streamline costs.

We need more outcome sensitivity..we have the most expensive healthcare in the world without comparable outcome benefits to our society.

We need to work harder to ferret out insurance fraud.

We need to quit spending such a high percentage of our total healthcare dollar on the last 6 months of life. This is an ethical dilemma we must discuss and resolve.

We need more focus on prevention and less on reaction.

We need to understand the cost/benefit of better insuring our society against the cost/benefits of other places we spend our money (like wars)...

As our society ages, the cost of health care WILL go up...if we change nothing or if we change everything...the goal should be to insure more people at less cost per person while increasing the effectiveness and efficiency of that delivery.

We need each person to have a stake in the cost of their insurance and some choice.

ACA is a start on that path....doing nothing is disastrous..it is time to get started.

I see nothing that stops the spending on MILLIONS of illegals.. Go figure...

[roni]

Originally Posted by Dan-0

It will accelerate it in terms of current employers claiming they can't afford health care plans for their employees and, knowing their employees can get government subsidized insurance anyway, dropping group plans to save money. So mediocre-paying jobs that offer average healthcare plans will become primo, sought-after positions. There's your proof.

That is a prediction.

There is a difference between a prediction and proof, was you well know

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by roni

That is a prediction.

There is a difference between a prediction and proof, was you well know

Obamacare is already proving to cost FAR MORE than was sold to the America people.. An is projected to cost far more than was sold to the American people in the Future... if it stands.. Which I'm confident this is pointless come June..

[roni]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Obamacare is already proving to cost FAR MORE than was sold to the America people.. An is projected to cost far more than was sold to the American people in the Future... if it stands.. Which I'm confident this is pointless come June..

I don't believe your lies

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by roni

I don't believe your lies

ObamaCare's True 10-Year Cost Out By CBO At $1.76 Trillion - Investors.com

Speaking of lies..

Medical Reform: We had to pass it to find what was in it, we were told. As the lies and consequences of health care reform become known, the Congressional Budget Office reveals its true cost — another lie all unto itself.

ObamaCare was sold in part as a way to rein in health care costs, including insurance premiums, and as a big step toward reducing the deficit. Using an accounting gimmick that would make even a Bernie Madoff blush, 10 years of taxes were counted against six years of "benefits" to produce huge projected savings.