Texas textbook controversy

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by StephenB

I don't disagree with that. Atheist's shouldn't control them either.

'Atheists' are trying to control textbook choice and/or writing?

Pshaw.

'Secularism' as it related to eudcation does NOT equate to atheism.


And we should just get rid of teaching history entirely because of a little controversy? Wow. I sure don't agree with that. I think history is a crucial and necessary topic.

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Really? I think he might disagree with you. I wonder if this has something to do with why they don't like Jefferson?
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uhhh, disagree about the role religion had in establishing this country??? No, Jefferson would not deny religion's role in that..... or were you saying he would prefer the constitution be left out of our school's discussion plans..... no, Jefferson wouldn't disagree there either. Nice quotes though!!!

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Which is exactly why neither Atheists or the religous should have anything to do with textbooks. The books should be filled with scientifically verifiable facts and well researched historical facts. Don't you agree?

I prefer pretty pictures, but whatever dude

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Which is exactly why neither Atheists or the religous should have anything to do with textbooks. The books should be filled with scientifically verifiable facts and well researched historical facts. Don't you agree?

Totally.

[sctx]

damn, the Sephora facebook thread was much more fun than this one

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by sctx

damn, the Sephora facebook thread was much more fun than this one

Wanna talk about airbrushing your wanger for a bit?

[Pok-a-tok]

What are the ppl who are not religious or atheists called?

[TJordan]

Originally Posted by Rissask

Wanna talk about airbrushing your wanger for a bit?

Please no...

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Pok-a-tok

What are the ppl who are not religious or atheists called?

zombies

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Rissask

Wanna talk about airbrushing your wanger for a bit?

will it make me look like John Holmes???

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by sctx

uhhh, disagree about the role religion had in establishing this country??? No, Jefferson would not deny religion's role in that..... or were you saying he would prefer the constitution be left out of our school's discussion plans..... no, Jefferson wouldn't disagree there either. Nice quotes though!!!

I think you'll find that the greatest role religion played in the American Revolution was that many of the founding fathers and mothers rejected its control over government. After all their ideas were an outgrowth of the Enlightenment and knowing at the time relatively recent history in Europe (of religious wars and discrimination) and here (like witch burnings and intolerance) they wanted the government to have as little as possible to do with control by the clergy.

[user 6507]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Which is exactly why neither Atheists or the religous should have anything to do with textbooks. The books should be filled with scientifically verifiable facts and well researched historical facts. Don't you agree?

This may be the first time I ever agreed with you. But let's leave it at facts and not opinion.

Originally Posted by Rissask

'Atheists' are trying to control textbook choice and/or writing?

Pshaw.

'Secularism' as it related to eudcation does NOT equate to atheism.


And we should just get rid of teaching history entirely because of a little controversy? Wow. I sure don't agree with that. I think history is a crucial and necessary topic.

Don't go Ryberg on me Riss. I did not say atheist control textbooks-I said they shouldn't-neither should religious factions. To keep any discussion about religion out of history would be to ignore the facts and history itself. Did you purposely mis-spell education?

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

I think you'll find that the greatest role religion played in the American Revolution was that many of the founding fathers and mothers rejected its control over government. After all their ideas were an outgrowth of the Enlightenment and knowing at the time relatively recent history in Europe (of religious wars and discrimination) and here (like which burnings and intolerance) they wanted the government to have as little as possible to do with control by the clergy.

yes, but it seems like they are talking about the role religion played in the formation of the country, not the government, si o no??? I mean, when you consider their fascination with the Calvinists, that goes back to Reformation doesn't it? I'm getting old but it seems that puts us 200 years prior to formation of the government?
My main objection to the Separation Crowd is that it seems to be morphing into "no representative shall let his religious views influence his political judgment"..... I find that unacceptable as well as impossible

[Rissask]

Scott is very right on that last point.

One's religious beliefs WILL influence every opinion they have. That is unavoidable.

They just need to make sure it does not conflict with the constitution in the US, or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada.

Originally Posted by sctx

will it make me look like John Holmes???

um, maybe?

Originally Posted by Pok-a-tok

What are the ppl who are not religious or atheists called?

I think it would be 'irreligious'.

Originally Posted by StephenB

This may be the first time I ever agreed with you. But let's leave it at facts and not opinion.



Don't go Ryberg on me Riss. I did not say atheist control textbooks-I said they shouldn't-neither should religious factions. To keep any discussion about religion out of history would be to ignore the facts and history itself. Did you purposely mis-spell education?

It's a strawman you threw into the discussion for effect, we both know it.

That sounded suspiciously like something the Religious Right would loudly proclaim to try to strike fear into the average Americans- "Watch out, y'all- the evil atheists are trying to influence our poor innocent kids! " Puke.


There is a big difference between teaching facts about religious influence throughout history, and the history of religious movements, and teaching that one way or the other is the 'right' way to think.

and yeah, sher, I spellt it rong on perpose. shor nuff did.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by sctx

yes, but it seems like they are talking about the role religion played in the formation of the country, not the government, si o no??? I mean, when you consider their fascination with the Calvinists, that goes back to Reformation doesn't it? I'm getting old but it seems that puts us 200 years prior to formation of the government?
My main objection to the Separation Crowd is that it seems to be morphing into "no representative shall let his religious views influence his political judgment"..... I find that unacceptable as well as impossible

Our founders were largely well educated. As such they be well aware of the history of civilization including religion. Amongst Thomas Jefferson's books was a copy of the Quaran. If I recall correctly the very first government to recognize the newly founded US,was the Sultan of Morocco. So the founders would have relatively good understanding of the competing philosophies of the time. They rejected any particular one from control over the religion of the new country.

Jefferson even edited this book:

The Jefferson Bible, or The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth as it is formally titled, was Thomas Jefferson's effort to extract the doctrine of Jesus by removing sections of the New Testament containing supernatural aspects as well as perceived misinterpretations he believed had been added by the Four Evangelists.[1][2]

Jefferson Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia