Texas textbook controversy

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Our founders were largely well educated. As such they be well aware of the history of civilization including religion. Amongst Thomas Jefferson's books was a copy of the Quaran. If I recall correctly the very first government to recognize the newly founded US,was the Sultan of Morocco. So the founders would have relatively good understanding of the competing philosophies of the time. They rejected any particular one from control over the religion of the new country.

Jefferson even edited this book:Jefferson Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

your rambling dude, is it nap time up there or are the exhaust fumes off I-35 blowing your way

[user 6507]

Originally Posted by Rissask

Scott is very right on that last point.

One's religious beliefs WILL influence every opinion they have. That is unavoidable.

They just need to make sure it does not conflict with the constitution in the US, or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada.




um, maybe?



I think it would be 'irreligious'.




It's a strawman you threw into the discussion for effect, we both know it.

That sounded suspiciously like something the Religious Right would loudly proclaim to try to strike fear into the average Americans- "Watch out, y'all- the evil atheists are trying to influence our poor innocent kids! " Puke.


There is a big difference between teaching facts about religious influence throughout history, and the history of religious movements, and teaching that one way or the other is the 'right' way to think.

and yeah, sher, I spellt it rong on perpose. shor nuff did.

No...we do not both know it. If you want to read that into it go ahead. If a die hard atheist wanted to exclude any mention of religion or to downplay the significant role it played in history, they would be as wrong as a religious fundamentalist trying to control the show. If that's strawman then I'm guilty.

[MaripositaII]

Originally Posted by sctx

I'd have to whoop my kids ass if he ever told me we lived in a representative republic.... kids these days, where do they get these ideas???

From the internet?

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

From the internet?

I keep wondering why the Republicans keep playing up "representative republic". Every democracy currently on the earth elects representatives.We are no different in that respect, although we may go about it differently. Are Republicans afraid of democracy? Are they fearful we will attempt to emulate ancient Athens?

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Are they fearful we will attempt to emulate ancient Athens?

now that's funny coming from an Austinite... do i need to post pics of how ya'll dress up there???

[Rissask]

StephenB:

No...we do not both know it. If you want to read that into it go ahead. If a die hard atheist wanted to exclude any mention of religion or to downplay the significant role it played in history, they would be as wrong as a religious fundamentalist trying to control the show. If that's strawman then I'm guilty.

And I totally agree with you on that.

But that is not what you said.

There are no atheists trying to control what is written in textbooks...are there?

But there are fundamentalists trying to. That is the problem here. Bringing up atheists trying to do it is a strawman.

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Rissask

And I totally agree with you on that.

But that is not what you said.





There are no atheists trying to control what is written in textbooks...are there?

But there are fundamentalists trying to. That is the problem here. Bringing up atheists trying to do it is a strawman.

really??.... so there are 10 fundamentalists against 5.... oh, i don;t know what they are, they're not fundamentalists, surely can't be atheists..... I know!!!.... they're illegal aliens!!!..... where does the fundamentalist thing come from here???

signed
confused atheist

[Rissask]

fundamentalists, conservatives....toh-may-toe, toh-MAH-toe



They certainly sound pretty fundamentalist to me, these 'conservatives'! But you know how my blood gets boiling when anyone suggests NOT teaching evolution in school.

In recent years, board members have been locked in an ideological battle between a bloc of conservatives who question Darwin’s theory of evolution and believe the Founding Fathers were guided by Christian principles, and a handful of Democrats and moderate Republicans who have fought to preserve the teaching of Darwinism and the separation of church and state.

Since January, Republicans on the board have passed more than 100 amendments to the 120-page curriculum standards affecting history, sociology and economics courses from elementary to high school. The standards were proposed by a panel of teachers.

“We are adding balance,” said Dr. Don McLeroy, the leader of the conservative faction on the board, after the vote. “History has already been skewed. Academia is skewed too far to the left.”

Battles over what to put in science and history books have taken place for years in the 20 states where state boards must adopt textbooks, most notably in California and Texas. But rarely in recent history has a group of conservative board members left such a mark on a social studies curriculum.

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Rissask

fundamentalists, conservatives....toh-may-toe, toh-MAH-toe



They certainly sound pretty fundamentalist to me, these 'conservatives'!

I just saw them on TV and none were wearing funny hats, that's why I asked where that charge comes from.... funny hats are required for most fundamentalists

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by sctx

I just saw them on TV and none were wearing funny hats, that's why I asked where that charge comes from.... funny hats are required for most fundamentalists

sure are!

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by Rissask

sure are!

Them ain't funny hats! That's proper manly headgear!

[Rissask]

sure, manly headgear


...... often worn by fundamentalists!

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Them ain't funny hats! That's proper manly headgear!

give her a break, she's one of them sociocommie's from up north where they shovel snow off their driveways so they can go pay twice what a bottle of liquor is worth down at the government drug store

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by sctx

give her a break, she's one of them sociocommie's from up north where they shovel snow off their driveways so they can go pay twice what a bottle of liquor is worth down at the government drug store

The government has drugs up there? Maybe it's worth trying to dig into the permafrost for your igloo root cellar?

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

The government has drugs up there?

yeah, but from what I hear, you gotta drive to one store for your whisky, and then drive to another store for your beer, AND THEN drive all the way to the Pacific coast for your weed..... don't make much sense, in east austin it's all one store .... and you can get jerry-curl there too