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Old 05-05-2017   #811 (permalink)
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Well it makes sense to me due to the seemingly prevalent tendency of people to get very worried about what may be happening in scary Mexico but to overlook or write off what may simultaneously be happening along similar lines where they live, or in other places they tend to think are fine, or which anyway don't register as so dangerous as to avoid going to, at least. In other words, doing so helps to point out the illogical and probably unrecognized double standard in people's thinking.

Now, I don't think it helps to do so in an overly defensive manner, mind you. (Not saying Al's post, or Roni's previous mention of Baltimore, constitutes that.) Being overly defensive is just as bad as being overly worried. But just pointing it out seems to serve a good purpose.

I agree with that bolded line, totally. Actually I said it. (edit- no, not verbatim, Steve, don't get all literal on me again. lol)

But I disagree about how pointing out that other cities also have a problem with a high crime or murder rate helps at all. People KNOW that, already, or you'd hope they do.

And it's not a double standard for many people. Not everyone lives in or near Chicago or New Orleans. Or want to travel to Baltimore.
Some people live in a comparatively Mayberry type place, where shootings are so rare that they make the news for days.

Funnily enough, a co-worker was just in Baltimore to see a Blue Jays-Orioles series and said they were warned to not leave their hotel after dark. Sounds really appealing, all right!
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But I disagree about how pointing out that other cities also have a problem with a high crime or murder rate helps at all. People KNOW that, already, or you'd hope they do.
My impression has been that many of them appear not to. But even if they do, that doesn't make it wrong to bring it into the context, as far as I can see.

In that it seems analogous to the related issue that frequently comes up, of geography and locations and distances. It's not unusual for people to post in a place like this or TripAdvisor forums related to the RM, where they are planning to travel, because they have heard reports of violence in, say, Ciudad Juarez or Monterrey or Mexico City. One would similarly hope they would realize the significant distance between those places and this one, and yet they often don't appear to. But even if they do, it wouldn't make it wrong to point out the distances involved...

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And it's not a double standard for many people. Not everyone lives in or near Chicago or New Orleans. Or want to travel to Baltimore.
Some people live in a comparatively Mayberry type place, where shootings are so rare that they make the news for days.
Right: the place referred to for comparison doesn't have to be the one in which they live, or very near to it. It's equally valid to compare an alternate destination to this one, one that, like I say, they don't appear to recognize as being particularly dangerous or to be avoided.

It may all come down to different impressions on the bolded point above, with you thinking they already know and recognize what's being pointed out, and me thinking they seem not to. (shrug)
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My impression has been that many of them appear not to. But even if they do, that doesn't make it wrong to bring it into the context, as far as I can see.

In that it seems analogous to the related issue that frequently comes up, of geography and locations and distances. It's not unusual for people to post in a place like this or TripAdvisor forums related to the RM, where they are planning to travel, because they have heard reports of violence in, say, Ciudad Juarez or Monterrey or Mexico City. One would similarly hope they would realize the significant distance between those places and this one, and yet they often don't appear to. But even if they do, it wouldn't make it wrong to point out the distances involved...

Right: the place referred to for comparison doesn't have to be the one in which they live, or very near to it. It's equally valid to compare an alternate destination to this one, one that, like I say, they don't appear to recognize as being particularly dangerous or to be avoided.

It may all come down to different impressions on the bolded point above, with you thinking they already know and recognize what's being pointed out, and me thinking they seem not to. (shrug)
It is an individual choice, when it comes down to it.

We know a woman who has lived in Mexico for decades. She lived in Jalisco for years and then moved to Morelia, Michoacan for love. A few years later she and her partner moved to Mexico City - for safety. She said the notion of moving to Mexico City for safety might seem odd, but there it was.

Quintana Roo is the 9th safest state in Mexico, 9th of 31. Pretty darn good. I go there for vacation. I am not affiliated with any commercial interests there, BTW.

We know people who go to Acapulco, Guerrero for vacation (from Merida) It is a far more dangerous state, but they get home safely. Michoacan is also a more dangerous state, and we know people who vacation there and get home safely.

I would say that if you live a relatively sane life, there is a huge probability that you and your family will have a pretty good vacation and get home safely, depending on weather, sargassum and many other factors.
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I would say that if you live a relatively sane life, there is a huge probability that you and your family will have a pretty good vacation and get home safely, depending on weather, sargassum and many other factors.
yup, completely agree. Mexico, even in it's most dangerous states is still very safe -if you are a tourist.

And I go to Guerrero most of the times I go to Mexico, and will continue to, it's my favourite. Even now that things are bad again, there was a firebombing there right in the tourist zone and five bars were affected (2 burned to the ground- these were tourist businesses in the tourist zone) ......then three policemen executed in broad daylight- again right in the tourist area..... and then there were also 4 people shot, cartel vs cartel issue, also at a bar in the tourist area...these are all recent incidents in the past couple of months, WAY MORE than usual there ...and my links about Cabo were incidents that are happening in the tourist areas too....


yet oddly enough, as of May 2 my gov't is still excluding Ixtapa/Zihua from their travel warning- hmmmm


so no, Steve, I'm not really talking about people who are bad at geography and can't tell Cuidad Juarez from Akumal.

(and when stuff like this starts going on, tourists to these areas SHOULD really know about it, no? When innocent tourists are killed, just for being in the vicinity? Personally, that is the sort of incidents I AM concerned about.)

CARTEL TERROR: Gunmen Open Fire on Crowd in Mexican Resort Town


but none of this has anything to with my first point -which is, saying Chicago or wherever ALSO has a lot of crime is nothing but an attempt to deflect....like the concerned person's reaction should be 'Hey, you're right, it's dangerous in other places, therefore I guess what the situation is there should cease to matter to me at all.'

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It is an individual choice, when it comes down to it.
Sure, of course. Hopefully a well informed one, though, which is where these sorts of online discussions can help people break away from misinformation and common misconceptions.

And you can't really blame them. I mean even prominent US federal governmental agencies charged with overseeing the welfare of their citizens engaged in precisely this type of double standard thinking during the H1N1 scare, for example, with State advising American travellers against any unnecessary trips to Mexico while at the same time HHS was advising American parents that it was safe to send their kids back into schools even where cases of H1N1 had been confirmed. So the lack of reason starts from the very top.

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so no, Steve, I'm not really talking about people who are bad at geography and can't tell Cuidad Juarez from Akumal.
As I noted, it was an analogy referring to another situation in which people especially north of the border are often not well informed about Mexico.

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but none of this has anything to with my first point -which is, saying Chicago or wherever ALSO has a lot of crime is nothing but an attempt to deflect....


Well, it can in fact most certainly be an attempt to inform, or to call attention to unrecognized discrepancies in thinking, even if someone is informed... One could only make the claim in bold by knowing for certain the motives of the person responding to a question about the area. But that can't be known in many cases in more than it can be known whether the person asking about the area is properly informed about Mexico and is not applying a double standard...
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The thing is, even in the cities in Mexico where there is a lot of violence, you will find most of it concentrated in small areas of said cities. Just like in the US.

Much of Washington DC, for example, is perfectly safe. Go into the Benning Road area and it is a completely different story. Same with these cities in Mexico where the violence is concentrated around the crime. Most tourists don't visit Benning Road or go anywhere near it. Same as those who visit Monterrey or Nuevo Laredo or other cities where violence is more common. If you stay out of criminal activities, criminal activity usually does not come looking for you.
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I have many (ignorant) clients who always ask...."aren't you afraid to travel to Mexico or the DR."?

I always reply that the scariest part of my trip, is the trip/time in Chicago and hoping I don't get shot.

Never had a problem in Mexico, Costa Rico, Belize or the DR.



Jamaica (where I got married) on the other hand got worse year after year. Crack and meth have invaded the island.....heroin becoming a major problem as well. Sad to watch, as it is everywhere.
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What does this have to do with anything I posted lol..

I know all about Baltimore I live here . But this isnt the Baltimore travel forum

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You had better not read this about corruption in Baltimore
I grew up there. Sure has changed.
Guess we won't be seeing you in Mexico anymore. Too dangerous and corrupt, unlike the U.S.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...4ca_story.html
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What does this have to do with anything I posted lol..

I know all about Baltimore I live here . But this isnt the Baltimore travel forum
It isn't the "Mexico" travel forum either.
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Even though my cooler was stolen out of my rental car last trip, I am far more worried about sargassum than crime. In fact...I lose sleep over it...
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It isn't the "Mexico" travel forum either.
well, the title of the thread is this:

"Is Mexico safe for travel? Yes, depending on your destination."

and the article Heather linked in the first post was about travel safety in general in Mexico.

How safe is travel in Mexico? Depends on your destination - tribunedigital-chicagotribune
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Mexico was second deadliest country in 2016



Mexico was second deadliest country in 2016 - CNN.com
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Mexico was second deadliest country in 2016



Mexico was second deadliest country in 2016 - CNN.com
Second deadliest in "conflict" deaths.
22nd in per capita murders.
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Second deadliest in "conflict" deaths.
22nd in per capita murders.
Unfortunately these days I think that old Reagan zinger so often applies: "If you're explaining, you're losing."
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Knife attack on Quinta?

Asalto en la Quinta Avenida tiene un resultado fatal

Does anyone have any extra info? They don't seem to indicate what time of the day this happened...(not that I would feel better about the safety of Quinta at this point even if it happened at 3AM but still) etc..
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