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Old 03-31-2010   #46 (permalink)
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Don't you think if, say as a teacher or the principle, rumours are floating around about harassing and hateful postings (bullying) to the internet about a student, that as a responsible member of the human race, the rumours should be checked out ? I agree that teachers do have a full plate, but bullying really needs to be taken seriously and not brushed under the carpet, this where the seeds of school shootings errupt.
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Don't you think if, say as a teacher or the principle, rumours are floating around about harassing and hateful postings (bullying) to the internet about a student, that as a responsible member of the human race, the rumours should be checked out ? I agree that teachers do have a full plate, but bullying really needs to be taken seriously and not brushed under the carpet, this where the seeds of school shootings errupt.

Of course they do. I did not say they didn't. To me, following up on anything you hear would be part and parcel of a good bullying policy (which I said all schools should have).

But I don't think teachers can be logically expected to do digging or investigating on their own time into internet postings to try to find dirt on students. They have enough work to do for anyone to expect that from them as well. If the information comes to them, and they hear something they need to follow up on, that is different. I hope you get my distinction?
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So you are saying it is up to the SCHOOLS to monitor kids' internet use at HOME??

I don't think so. That is the parents' job.
Since much of this was going on during school hours. Yes the school should have been monitoring face book. Schools monitor their own staff ventures on face book so why not their students.
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Since much of this was going on during school hours. Yes the school should have been monitoring face book. Schools monitor their own staff ventures on face book so why not their students.


You are generalizing when you say 'schools monitor their staff ventures', I think.

And what schools would allow kids to post on Facebook on school computers, during school time? I think most schools have sites like that blocked.
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The school district (in cooperation with the city) I live in place uniformed officers at each school. And I live in a small town. Any harrassment, bullying, fights are dealt with by the "school resource officer" and if he sees fit (in the case of a fight), he calls other officers to the scene. Having a police officer speak with you about the subject usually makes a much larger impression than school adminstration. The resource officer is also the one to speak with the kids at assemblies regarding bullying, drugs, etc. At the high school, there is more than one officer and they have a small office within the school that is basically an extension of the city police department. The officers tour the cafeteria/student union/school grounds during lunch, the hallways between classes, and the parking lots before and after school. It seems to work well. They are even the ones that dealt with my stepson when he set the stink bomb off in the cafeteria at school. I know he took them seriously, lol.
I'm assuming we pay for something like that through our property taxes every year, and I know I've heard that we have one of the highest school millage rates around. But honestly, what parent wouldn't vote for a millage increase for something like that?
So I guess I would have to lay some blame on the school administration for what happened to that poor girl. Parents trust the school to keep our students safe during the day. The school failed. These zero-tolerance bullying policy issues have been around for years. Why wasn't their system already in place?
I have a friend whose son goes to a neighboring school, and in their district, if kids get in a fist fight at school, each child's parents are fined $300 by the city. I don't know if I agree with that one...but she says it seems to have made an impression. You're a lot less likely to tell your kid to "knock his lights out the next time he says/does that" if you know you're going to have to cough up $300 because of it.
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You are generalizing when you say 'schools monitor their staff ventures', I think.

And what schools would allow kids to post on Facebook on school computers, during school time? I think most schools have sites like that blocked.
Oh palease, just about every kid has a black berry. Everyone of those devices can access face book etc.

What century are you put of ?
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Oh palease, just about every kid has a black berry. Everyone of those devices can access face book etc.

What century are you put of ?

So are you saying that TEACHERS should be monitoring kids' usage of these AT SCHOOL...really?!? Wow, here I though that would be like, an invasion of privacy or taking away of freedoms, or something silly like that.

come on, Stogey, you would be among the first to whine and cry at length if this was a thread about a new law that gave teachers the right to read kids' cell phone texts or posts on school grounds, etc. Quit playing devil's advocate.
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If a students locker can be searched for drugs or weapons without a warrant then what some one says on you tube or whatever is fair game as well.

I do put a lot of blame on the parents as well. Parents should have a pretty good idea on what's going on with their kids.
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If a students locker can be searched for drugs or weapons without a warrant then what some one says on you tube or whatever is fair game as well.

I do put a lot of blame on the parents as well. Parents should have a pretty good idea on what's going on with their kids.
Totally agree with you.
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I agree that the school is responsible for providing a safe learning environment and should have acted on what, from what I am seeing about the case, appears to have been very visible at school.

As to the parents, it's hard to say. Have you spoken with a teenager lately? They are not exactly forthcoming about their personal lives. I wouldn't expect an answer to the question: what did you do in school today? to include details of bullying. What about parents calling each other up? Does no one do that anymore?
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I agree that the school is responsible for providing a safe learning environment and should have acted on what, from what I am seeing about the case, appears to have been very visible at school.

As to the parents, it's hard to say. Have you spoken with a teenager lately? They are not exactly forthcoming about their personal lives. I wouldn't expect an answer to the question: what did you do in school today? to include details of bullying. What about parents calling each other up? Does no one do that anymore?
You don't think there was even one kid out of the student body who told their parents what was going on? I still think this falls on the shoulders of the school. Why is it there is more attention on evidence of death threats and certain procedures they have to follow, such as reporting to police....but when it comes down to harassment and bullying at school, they don't know how to handle it? I find this unacceptable. You take their little behinds out of school, or ship them to a "continuation or reform school" until they get their heads on straight.
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You don't think there was even one kid out of the student body who told their parents what was going on? I still think this falls on the shoulders of the school. Why is it there is more attention on evidence of death threats and certain procedures they have to follow, such as reporting to police....but when it comes down to harassment and bullying at school, they don't know how to handle it? I find this unacceptable. You take their little behinds out of school, or ship them to a "continuation or reform school" until they get their heads on straight.
At the very least, it seems the parents of the girl had contacted the school. So I agree that the administrators are culpable.

I just don't know how much teens share with their parents about this kind of thing. If parents had heard even an inkling of the harassment that was going on, I would think they would call the school or call other parents or talk to their own kids.
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At the very least, it seems the parents of the girl had contacted the school. So I agree that the administrators are culpable.

I just don't know how much teens share with their parents about this kind of thing. If parents had heard even an inkling of the harassment that was going on, I would think they would call the school or call other parents or talk to their own kids.
Are talking about the kids doing the bullying? Them not telling their parents? If so, then I do agree they aren't going to tell them. But other students who witnessed the harassment very well could have told their parent/s. I just can't believe no one mentioned this to their parents. I know my kids have told me of fights on the bus....etc. Involving a student who was once on a softball team I coached. She was a tough nut to crack and had to be constantly kept busy with positive things to do. Unfortunately, she hasn't had much direction lately and is getting into trouble and fighting is just one issue. In her case, I think the school has been taking steps to help her out of this pattern. The mom, not so much. I have no idea how large of a school, town or city this took place in. But, I do know in small towns the parents all pretty much work together to keep the kids on track....and this means by phone contact or calling the school or talking with other parents at functions. It is a terrible shame the mother called the school to alert them of this and the proper steps weren't taken to correct this spiral of bullying. Kids are cruel....sometimes things eventually settle down but in this case it obviously did not.
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These anti bullying laws are just feel good measures.

If you have the courage. Read todays Daily Mail. The Wests version of socialist utopia.

I think closing down public schools and bringing back the neighbourhood schools would solve a lot of this stuff real quick.

No more school unions, no more sub standard standards.

I don't think I have seen anything good come out of a socialist society.

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If they were actually lying and covering up that they had had complaints from the girls mom, that is truly sick and sad.

Anger turns toward school staff in bullying case - The Boston Globe


What I find so hard to believe about this case is that in this day and age there are still schools in North America that don't have a firm bullying policy and teachers who know how to handle these situations. It seems to take a situation like this to 'wake them up' I guess?

(I still don't think it is teachers' job to spy on kids posts on YouTube or FB or whatever, though.)
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