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Old 08-17-2010   #16 (permalink)
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I WANT CHICKENS! My hubby won't let me. I want Rhode Island Reds.

Look @ the little chicks! They're soooo cute!
Urban chickening is all the rage in Portland
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Dude. Seriously. I'm eating an organic apple. Can you not discuss worms!

Sorry! (Actually apples are one of the few things I might buy organic...instead I just peel them. )

F'real, though. There are reasons why ranchers do the things they do.
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The ultimate test of sustainability is whether organic farming could feed the planet. Scott Kinnear, president of Australia's Organic Farmers Federation, believes "it is imperative that the world moves over to organic farming as soon as possible".

Yet many agricultural scientists estimate that if the world were to go completely organic, not only would the remaining forests have to be cleared to provide the organic manure needed for farming, the world's current population would likely starve.

Norman Ernest Borlaug, the American plant geneticist who won a Nobel Peace Prize for breeding the high-yield, disease-resistant wheat varieties (triggering agriculture's 'Green Revolution'), is despairing of the organic fad. "This shouldn't even be a debate. Even if you could use all the organic material you have – the animal manures, the human waste, the plant residues – and get them back on the soil, you couldn't feed more than four billion people."

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Sorry! (Actually apples are one of the few things I might buy organic...instead I just peel them. )

F'real, though. There are reasons why ranchers do the things they do.
There is no need, however, to routinely add antibiotics to feed of all the cattle.

Sides that, my brother-in-law gets higher prices for his "natural" black angus.

Not organic, mind you, but no antibiotics unless the damn cow is sick.
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I think (and this is just my undereducated assumption) that with regards to the planet's inability to support an entirely organically fed population the problem isn't that we don't have enough space to do it but that we have too large of a population. To counter act the ever growing population, the world's governments (especially in under developed & developing countries) need to support population control through things like education (not just sex ed but even standard education for girls). The higher educated the population is, the lower birth rates. (example @ link below)

A Reproductive Health Communication Model That Helps Improve Young Women's Reproductive Life and Reduce Population Growth-Zunia.org

Another good resource regarding world over population:
World Overpopulation Awareness (population)
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Look @ the little chicks! They're soooo cute!
the chicks are included with a full price offer on the house....... and the house is around the corner from East Side Pies..... pretty damn good thin crust pizza ......and the owners buy their ingredients from local growers, most are hand selected at the various downtown farmer markets....... two weeks ago, they took an idea I suggested and made a pie out of it.... peaches and peppers
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the chicks are included with a full price offer on the house....... and the house is around the corner from East Side Pies..... pretty damn good thin crust pizza ......and the owners buy their ingredients from local growers, most are hand selected at the various downtown farmer markets....... two weeks ago, they took an idea I suggested and made a pie out of it.... peaches and peppers
But, I'd have to live in Texas? Hmmm..I think it would be better if I just got my own chicks. I'm a die-hard Yankee.
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that's OK, we'll teach you how to talk right
My niece & nephew grew up in Arkansas (sister married a guy from there) and when they would come for a visit they'd ask me to teach them to "speak northern".
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I completely agree with Becca- the world's population has GOT to become a priority. Education and access to birth control would go a long way. Without getting that in check- we're doomed. The earth will only bear so much- sooner or later it'll become too much.

There is so much waste when it comes to food. I believe we could do a LOT better than we're currently doing if we actually USED all the food we grew. So much gets thrown away- just so us rich western consumers can have the choice between red, green, yellow, orange, and purple peppers- in the middle of winter. Etc. We need to learn to eat what's available and not expect everything to be available to us at all times. I think if we fix that key problem we can start to focus on growing food in a more sustainable way (in a way that minimally impacts the environment). Don't grow peanuts (one of the most water-loving crops) in Arizona, for example

Another problem is that people are so spread out and take up too much land. Forget organic, sustainable, etc- if we want to be able to feed the population at it's current growth rate, we're going to need every available inch of land for agriculture. As a people, we need to consolidate, and leave more land open to agriculture.

I fully realize that this is not going to happen in the world we live in- but if/when the sh!t hits the fan (worldwide famines, widespread disease, and other epidemics that can occur with overpopulation)- we're going to have to make MAJOR changes.

Like I said- it has to be a priority to work (more important than an I-Phone or I-Pad, Roni). Otherwise, no one is going to put up with the increased cost until they have to. I don't believe our current system will work in the long run. It's just not sustainable
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I completely agree with Becca- the world's population has GOT to become a priority. Education and access to birth control would go a long way. Without getting that in check- we're doomed. The earth will only bear so much- sooner or later it'll become too much.

There is so much waste when it comes to food. I believe we could do a LOT better than we're currently doing if we actually USED all the food we grew. So much gets thrown away- just so us rich western consumers can have the choice between red, green, yellow, orange, and purple peppers- in the middle of winter. Etc. We need to learn to eat what's available and not expect everything to be available to us at all times. I think if we fix that key problem we can start to focus on growing food in a more sustainable way (in a way that minimally impacts the environment). Don't grow peanuts (one of the most water-loving crops) in Arizona, for example

Another problem is that people are so spread out and take up too much land. Forget organic, sustainable, etc- if we want to be able to feed the population at it's current growth rate, we're going to need every available inch of land for agriculture. As a people, we need to consolidate, and leave more land open to agriculture.

I fully realize that this is not going to happen in the world we live in- but if/when the sh!t hits the fan (worldwide famines, widespread disease, and other epidemics that can occur with overpopulation)- we're going to have to make MAJOR changes.

Like I said- it has to be a priority to work (more important than an I-Phone or I-Pad, Roni). Otherwise, no one is going to put up with the increased cost until they have to. I don't believe our current system will work in the long run. It's just not sustainable

YEAH! What she said!!
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Some of the stuff is too high carb for me, but we'll be there
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If you want to talk about the cost of organic foods, try shopping for gluten free food items as well. That's where most of my money goes. Now with my daughter tested positive for Celiac, that makes two of us eating GF! I buy organic veggies/fruits as much as possible, and I also support our by "local" farmers, though they are not always organic. I won't waste money on organic when the fruit has a thick skin like watermelon, honeydew, avocado, bananas, mango etc. When it comes to lettuce and my greens, I do buy organic and try not to think of the price.

I even buy organic brown rice, black beans, lentils etc. So what if someone says it's overkill. I say it is my money and I can spend it how I want! Besides, I probably help keep the cashiers, baggers and other grocery staff employed
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Totally agree- the world population IS way too high and it is totally unsustainable in the long run. And it is going up and will most likely peak at least 2 billion higher than it is, experts say.

Nature will correct it, once we suck her dry, no worries.

It's easy to say we know how to fix things, and what we as people 'should' do as a species to fix things....but to get all the world's countries on board, that is a little tougher.

The most important thing IMO in getting the population problem solved is continue to work on improved rights for and the status of women. When women have choices and equality and education, the world wins.
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Totally agree- the world population IS way too high and it is totally unsustainable in the long run. And it is going up and will most likely peak at least 2 billion higher than it is, experts say.

Nature will correct it, once we suck her dry, no worries.

It's easy to say we know how to fix things, and what we as people 'should' do as a species to fix things....but to get all the world's countries on board, that is a little tougher.

The most important thing IMO in getting the population problem solved is continue to work on improved rights for and the status of women. When women have choices and equality and education, the world wins.
TOTALLY agree!
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