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Old 08-18-2010   #46 (permalink)
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Check this out guess who did the wine pairings...even the mayo is made from local eggs and the soup stock is local
VERY, VERY nice! I wish I was there!
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We waste a lot of space producing fresh vegetables, of which a staggering amount get thrown away. There's also a lot of waste in dairy. I'm sure there's links to back this up- but for now this is based on personal experience working in and with grocery stores. Right now we get several wheelbarrows full of produce from our local grocer every week to use as pig slop- and we're a small island. Lots more gets dumped (we only have this arrangement from one out of the 4 large(ish) stores on island).

Also, based on my experiences working on farms (both sustainable and monoculture/heavy spray)- there is a TON of produce that never makes it to market. If there is so much as a blemish- it's not considered salable.

FWIW- pigs are fairly picky eaters and they don't like rotten produce, either

edit: here's one link I could find quickly to an article in Scientific American

all good points (those pigs are DAMN smart!)...plus we, in the West especially, eat far more meat than we should. And meat takes a lot more water and land that vegetables and grains to grow the equivalent in food energy.

But, again, here we are getting into constrasting 'the world the way it should be, and the world the way it is'.

People aren't likely going to reduce the amount of meat they eat without a fight; meat is tasty. In fact, the developing countries are fast catching up with the West in terms of the amount of meat eaten.
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all good points (those pigs are DAMN smart!)...plus we, in the West especially, eat far more meat than we should. And meat takes a lot more water and land that vegetables and grains to grow the equivalent in food energy.

But, again, here we are getting into constrasting 'the world the way it should be, and the world the way it is'.

People aren't likely going to reduce the amount of meat they eat without a fight; meat is tasty. In fact, the developing countries are fast catching up with the West in terms of the amount of meat eaten.
Totally agree. We ALL need to eat less meat. It's one of the best things people can do for the environment. One easy way to eat a LOT less meat is to commit to buying locally raised meat It worked for us
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Totally agree. We ALL need to eat less meat. It's one of the best things people can do for the environment. One easy way to eat a LOT less meat is to commit to buying locally raised meat It worked for us

Humans may need to eat less meat, but I do not need to eat less meat.
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Totally agree. We ALL need to eat less meat. It's one of the best things people can do for the environment. One easy way to eat a LOT less meat is to commit to buying locally raised meat It worked for us

or shooting them yourself, yup- works for us!


Hey, does that include seals...because, you know, some people live near seals....

just sayin'
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Humans may need to eat less meat, but I do not need to eat less meat.
No one would ever ask you to give up your meat, Roni

I eat too much meat- even given how expensive it is. I like meat I'm certainly not an example of how the world needs to act, either- I eat guacamole and mangos and fresh produce of all kinds all winter. And most importantly- I eat too much. I have to work out A LOT to process all the food I eat- on a global scale there's something very wrong with that. Lest anyone think that I'm perfect, or anything silly like that
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or shooting them yourself, yup- works for us!


Hey, does that include seals...because, you know, some people live near seals....

just sayin'
I'm all for hunting. If it's not endangered- the cute factor doesn't matter (don't tell Sue).
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I'm all for hunting. If it's not endangered- the cute factor doesn't matter (don't tell Sue).


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Oh lordy, they are SO far from endangered, it's not even funny (they eat a lot of cod, the buggers).....they are cute, to be sure- but if I were hungry enough...
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Oh lordy, they are SO far from endangered, it's not even funny (they eat a lot of cod, the buggers).....they are cute, to be sure- but if I were hungry enough...
I don't know. Mammals that eat meat are NOT good eating in my opinion. Bear... Yuck! In survival mode, it's all edible. Mammals, repiles, birds, fish and insects included. Amphibians are a bit more of a challenge as many are toxic.
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Totally agree. We ALL need to eat less meat. It's one of the best things people can do for the environment. One easy way to eat a LOT less meat is to commit to buying locally raised meat It worked for us

Good thinking on the tactic!

Another good way to "remind" yourself is to try living with Meatless Mondays...
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No one would ever ask you to give up your meat, Roni

I eat too much meat- even given how expensive it is. I like meat I'm certainly not an example of how the world needs to act, either- I eat guacamole and mangos and fresh produce of all kinds all winter. And most importantly- I eat too much. I have to work out A LOT to process all the food I eat- on a global scale there's something very wrong with that. Lest anyone think that I'm perfect, or anything silly like that
I, too am FAR from having all of this worked out...still, this should not prevent any of us from representing for better habits that might lead to a better world. If we had to wait for perfection before we spoke, the silence would be deafening....hopefully, we are all a work in process...far from perfect, but moving in a better direction.
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I don't know. Mammals that eat meat are NOT good eating in my opinion. Bear... Yuck! In survival mode, it's all edible. Mammals, repiles, birds, fish and insects included. Amphibians are a bit more of a challenge as many are toxic.

rattlesnake, yummy and easy to prepare
crocodile is good, too

we aint gunna say nuttin about tortuga
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I don't know. Mammals that eat meat are NOT good eating in my opinion. Bear... Yuck! In survival mode, it's all edible. Mammals, repiles, birds, fish and insects included. Amphibians are a bit more of a challenge as many are toxic.

That is true.

but I don't think the Inuit can be too picky.
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rattlesnake, yummy and easy to prepare
crocodile is good, too

we aint gunna say nuttin about tortuga
Yes to the first 2.

Never had the 3rd.

My friends used to bring me big ole diamond backs they would catch. (They just wanted the skin and rattle.) I'd give them the skin tacked to a 2X4 and cook up the meat for me and anyone else who would dare eat it. Good stuff.
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That is true.

but I don't think the Inuit can be too picky.
Yep. Neither would I.
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