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Old 08-17-2010   #1 (permalink)
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Organic foods, vegetarianism, vegan, etc....

This is inspired by posts on the Prop 8 thread, and by something that a former poster put on facebook

There was a PETA protest in Vancouver recently. As you know, the People for the Ethical Treatment of animals are opposed to carnivorism.

Here is a photo, followed by a link. Let's use this thread to talk about food and stuff.

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Nearly Naked PETA Protestors
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Cool! From that thread....(I left out the poop talk...)

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This is very true. When I saw an "organic" bag of frozen broccoli that came from CHINA at our local grocery store- I knew that the label is only as good as the people enforcing it And yet what Jack says is true- it's prohibitively expensive to become certified in the US. Small growers that are better than organic (no sprays of any kind) can't get that all-important label- yet we import "organic" food from all over the world with very little regulation on our part. The system is way screwed up.
All the more reason to become a localvore and buy your produce, fruits, meats, milk and eggs from a local vendor. You will soon make the personal connection and learn who you can trust or not...and no expensive certification necessary so it is cheaper...and fresher because it is local and better for the environment because a plane didn't fly it on from Chile...I love farmers markets and tailgate markets!

Grow your own organic garden!

Beyond that, one can eat quasi-"organically" comparatively safely in a more economic sense by choosing carefully what you spend the larger dollars on to buy organic. If the fruit or vegetable has a skin that you eat the peel, it is generally chemically safer to spend the extra bucks on organics. If you don't eat the peel, it is generally okay NOT to spend the extra money....From here

How many times have you thought "organic foods are too expensive; I can't afford to go organic"? Or maybe you feel it is just too difficult to wade through all the statistics and information on choosing organic foods and the reasons for preferring it over conventionally grown foods. Organic foods are good for you because they are free of many added chemicals and hormones that conventionally grown foods receive as part of the growth cycle. However, it can add up at the cash register to try and keep yourself healthier by eating organic foods. To help you make your decisions in an informed way, here are some simple tips to identify the best choices and stay within budget


  • Beef, chicken and pork
  • Dairy products: Milk, cheese and butter
  • Strawberries, raspberries and cherries
  • Apples and pears
  • Tomatoes
  • Spinach and salad greens
  • Coffee
  • Potatoes
  • Stone fruits: Peaches, nectarines and apricots
  • Grapes
  • Celery
  • Peppers (capsicums), green and red

Still, we need to continue to work to solve the problem in the larger marketplace....certified organic is expensive....sustainably produced? What does that mean? all natural? What does it mean?...Free Range? How big is the range? Anti-biotic free, etc. etc......

The change starts with all of us..don't wait.
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Ah! I seriously thought about starting this thread earlier, but I have so much to say and wanted to provide so much background info that it became overwhelming

I'm a HUGE proponant of living local in whatever ways you can. It's expensive. There's no question about that. But I know how my veggies are grown, and how my meat is treated. I can even meet the meat, should I care to But we're far from rich, and we manage the cost- food is a priority for us. Relatively speaking, we spend more on groceries as a proportion to other things (cars, gadgets, clothes, etc- everything but vacations). We have many friends who are in a relatively similar economic standing as we are, and they feel the same way. I think the only way the local movement can take off is if people DO start making food a priority over other luxuries. We also grow our own veggies as much as possible- so that helps

Everything Jacko said about being a localvore is spot on There are MANY valid reasons for it. I would HIGHLY recommend watching Food, Inc., also- they do a really nice job of discussing the industrial food system in our country.

I have a lot to say, but I'm already all over the place here- so I'll try to come back more focused
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Great site here...check it out...

Eat Local | Simple Steps
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I will be marketing my current project as Free Range Friendly

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I have a difficult time paying a lot more money for it, I'll be real honest about that. Be competitively priced or forget me as a customer, for the most part.
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I am all for buying local and/or growing a garden and doing your own canning and pickling and lots of freezing - I do it myself (well, get most of it from my mom, whose garden is much bigger than mine, but I help her a lot!).

But I also know that most of the world does not have the luxury of having the land to grow a big enough garden to really make a difference. Also I know that for most of the world buying organic foods is out of reach for them, budget wise. This is why I called organic a niche market for the rich.

Like I said in the Prop 8 thread, I think the idea of organically grown food is good...in theory. When it comes to reality and practicality though, speaking on a global scale with almost 7 billion people on the planet, most in developing countries (who, let's face it, don't give a crap about organic, they just want to eat ), 60% plus of the food grown is grown using fertilizers and a bigger chunk using fertilizers plus pesticides and/or herbicides. And, as our world population growns, the bigger that percentage will be, like it or not.


Besides that, Some call organic the new snake oil...not sure I would go that far, but this article in Cosmos magazine sure is interesting (and I have read several similar ones).

Organic food exposed | COSMOS magazine







oh and PETA....pfffftht....too bad they go way too far and do more damage for their cause than they end up doing good. Does anyone take them seriously anymore?
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I agree with Roni
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I did have organic ground beef tonight - bought at Costco
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I try to buy local when I can. It's expensive but I've found well worth it in terms of taste & the feeling I get from supporting a local farmer. We have some very good local farms in my area. A few of them got together to form a company called "The Farmer's Cow". They are 5 or 6 Connecticut farms that produce milk, butter, and I think they may be expanding to cheeses.

Last year, I started growing my own vegetables. My husband keeps saying we "need" to spray them with miracle grow. No, we don't. I refuse to put anything on my veggies & in my garden that isn't organic because 1) I don't want my dogs exposed to chemicals (they hang out in the backyard & while they aren't allowed in the garden, they can still get into it if they want to) and 2) I want to attempt to have as little impact on the environment as possible. We get great looking tomatoes, lettuce, cucumbers and peppers without any chemicals (I used an organic fertilizer once this year and my dogs were drawn to it like moths to a light so no more organic fertilizer either! There must be some kind of poop in it. LOL!)

When I purchase fruits & veggies at the grocery store, I do my best to not buy from outside the U.S. (especially anything from China). In addition to having concerns about what is sprayed on food, I am concerned about the carbon footprint of that food getting to me. If it has to ship from China to my grocery store, that's a pretty significant carbon footprint. Do I do this 100% of the time, no. But I really do my best to limit the amount of food that comes from outside the U.S.

A huge concern I have with the meat in this country is the fact that there are very few slaughter houses in the U.S. They've been consolidated down to a very limited amount. If one of the slaughter houses has an e. coli breakout (salmonila, etc, etc) then the chances of this impacting a significant portion of the population is extremely high. That should be a concern for everyone -- whether you eat organic or not!
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I was talking to the butcher at his shop in town, The Smokehaus....he was saying he used do some work cutting meat for a local organic pig farmer...but he got sick of cutting up meat that was always full of worms.

Give me non-oganic pork, please.
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We did organic gardening in the midwest.

I do not mind buying some veggies from Mexico

I buy CA garlic powder rather than Chinese

I do shop at farmer's markets during the growing season - but I do buy over-priced stuff there.
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I was talking to the butcher at his shop in town, The Smokehaus....he was saying he used do some work cutting meat for a local organic pig farmer...but he got sick of cutting up meat that was always full of worms.

Give me non-oganic pork, please.
Dude. Seriously. I'm eating an organic apple. Can you not discuss worms!
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Dude. Seriously. I'm eating an organic apple. Can you not discuss worms!
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I will be marketing my current project as Free Range Friendly

I WANT CHICKENS! My hubby won't let me. I want Rhode Island Reds.

Look @ the little chicks! They're soooo cute!
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