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Old 12-17-2010   #1 (permalink)
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$11 Million Dollar Christmas Tree

Maybe we (United States) should take a cue from Abu Dhabi. While the cost is obnoxious, the fact that a Muslim nation has no problem with a Chirstmas Tree being erected in the lobby of a hotel should speak volumes about tolerance!

Yet in a country where "all religions are welcome", we ban the symbolism and insist on calling things "Holiday".

Stop the madness I say!
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Maybe we (United States) should take a cue from Abu Dhabi. While the cost is obnoxious, the fact that a Muslim nation has no problem with a Chirstmas Tree being erected in the lobby of a hotel should speak volumes about tolerance!

Yet in a country where "all religions are welcome", we ban the symbolism and insist on calling things "Holiday".

Stop the madness I say!

"Speaks volumes about tolerance"? Abu Dhabi? Ya think they'd let me put up a Menorah? Or maybe you should go over there and try handing out some Christian tracts.

I'd advise looking elsewhere for your shining example of religious tolerance.
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What is the name of the hotel?
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What percentage of Abu Dhabi is foreigners and/or Christians?

Is it not like Dubai, which is over 80% foreigners? Mostly from North America and Western Europe.

It might not be that unusual to see a Christmas tree in a lobby there, if that is the case.


But yeah, I bet there aren't any menorahs!


But 11 million for anything that is a 'luxury' is kind of sickening.
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Decorated with precious stones and jewelry.......enables them to go for the Guinness World Records for the most expensive Christmas Tree. They also have an ATM Gold machine.

Abu Dhabi’s Emirates Palace hotel is where royalty and billionaires come for cappuccinos topped with gold flakes.
GREAT! The can have the opportunity to eliminate GOLD FLAKES from their bodies! gmab

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"Speaks volumes about tolerance"? Abu Dhabi? Ya think they'd let me put up a Menorah? Or maybe you should go over there and try handing out some Christian tracts.

I'd advise looking elsewhere for your shining example of religious tolerance.
Now hang on Amy. You don't find it ironic that a nation that is supposedly devout Muslim has no problem with a HUGE Christmas tree, yet a country that is supposedly Christian in it's founding and has a constitution that supports freedom of all religions has issues with the symbol?

I got the "a Christmas tree is not a religious symbol" argument. But if it's called a "Christmas" tree, by default, it symbolizes a Christian holiday.

Am I saying Abu Dhabi is a model of religious tolerance in all aspects? Certainly not. But the irony here is pretty much "in your face".
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In my face about what?

I'm sorry, Mike - I don't see our country as having a huge problem with displaying Christmas Trees.

Because last time I checked there is a big, beautiful Christmas tree in the middle of Rockefeller Plaza in NYC.



And one on the front lawn of the White House in Washington DC:



And just in case the one in front of the President's place of residence wasn't a strong enough symbol, how about the one in front of our Nation's actual seat of government:




Outside of the Cook County Courthouse, Daley Center Plaza, Chicago:




The Walnut Room, Macy's (formerly Marshall Fields. Grr), Chicago:




And if you want to compare apples to apples, here's a big one outside of the Ritz Carlton in Laguna Niguel (wish I was there right now):




So really, what exactly is it that Abu Dhabi is doing that we here in the US are not?

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Now hang on Amy. You don't find it ironic that a nation that is supposedly devout Muslim has no problem with a HUGE Christmas tree, yet a country that is supposedly Christian in it's founding and has a constitution that supports freedom of all religions has issues with the symbol?

I got the "a Christmas tree is not a religious symbol" argument. But if it's called a "Christmas" tree, by default, it symbolizes a Christian holiday.

Am I saying Abu Dhabi is a model of religious tolerance in all aspects? Certainly not. But the irony here is pretty much "in your face".
I think it has more to do with winning a prize in print than anything else.
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Abu Dhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


75% expatriates.


Edited to add: Of course it is still an Islamic country, the UAE, richest city in the world notwithstanding, I would just not assume this means they are in any way truly open and welcoming to Christians. A good GF of mine lived in Dubai 8 years. it is very much a Muslim country, and she had to put up with a LOT of BS, although it is quite modern and even progressive in some ways, compared to other ME countries. I know what she would say- it's just another ostentatious display of their wealth.

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JP Morgan/Chase bans donated Christmas tree from Bank lobby

Seattle Airport removes Christmas Tree at Rabbi's request

UNC Charlotte removes tree to not offend other religions

High School Cafeteria removes tree

Orange County Courthouse removes tree that has been there for the past 20 years.

The list goes on and on.
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Counselor, do you have anything further?
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Just remember the ACLU does not hate religion................ just Christianity.


ACLU: Christmas tree lighting ceremonies create more terrorists

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JP Morgan/Chase bans donated Christmas tree from Bank lobby
They put it back up: Chase: Another Tree Going Up « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of DFW

Seattle Airport removes Christmas Tree at Rabbi's request
Nice spin. The Rabbi did not request that any Christmas Tree be removed. He asked that a Menorah also be displayed. Seattle Airport Removes Christmas Trees Instead of Putting Up Menorah - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

UNC Charlotte removes tree to not offend other religions
Hardly. The UNC Library chose note to display a tree in 2008. However, the Chancellor of the University had this to say about the rest of the University Campus and their Christmas displays:

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"I understand that the Library staff made the decision not to put up a Christmas tree this year after giving it a lot of thought. The university administration doesn’t get involved in decisions like that. Departments can choose to put up a tree or not. And if you take a walk across campus, I think you’ll see that.


The façade of Memorial Hall, our major performing venue, is fully decorated for the holiday, and The Nutcracker is its major December attraction. Student Stores is like any retailer this time of year. They have a tree decorated with Carolina ornaments in the window and, in the store, there is a mantle decorated with Carolina stockings. The Student Activities Fund Office has a Christmas tree in its window.


There’s a big Christmas wreath with a Carolina-blue ribbon on it in the Student Union. Our own Carolina Inn is again featuring its Twelve Days of Christmas displays throughout the hotel. And just as we have for the last 59 years, our Morehead Planetarium and Science Center is featuring The Star of Bethlehem.

So Christmas is recognized on this campus.

Thanks for your interest in Carolina, and have a joyous Christmas season.

Holden Thorp


Read more: Campus Notes - UNC's Thorp responds on Christmas Tree issue | newsobserver.com blogs

High School Cafeteria removes tree
OK well I might be good, but I'm not that good. Without more to go on I can't really respond to this particular allegation. Got anything a little more specific here?

Orange County Courthouse removes tree that has been there for the past 20 years.
You mean this one, the one that was restored? http://articles.ocregister.com/2009-...christmas-tree

The list goes on and on.
Kids don't get home from school until 3. Keep 'em coming.

Not sure where you are getting your info, Mike. But I never took you for one who gets caught up by viral emails and the like.

Christmas is alive and well in the United States, never you fear.

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Counselor, do you have anything further?
Please. Do you have to ask?
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Please. Do you have to ask?

Absolutely! I might have to hire you someday!
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