The Economy outside your door..

[CalifGuy]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Obama ain't buying a House

But I'll play along .., Obama is 14+ trillion in upside down and adding nearly 4 Trillion more every yr going out to dinner,playing golf and goofing off ....

I'd play along too, must be one hell of a golf course.




BTW I'm not bankrupt, my math is pretty good too.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by Rissask

Actually, when your house is 100% paid for, then you truly can call it an asset.

Right now you have 'some equity in your own home'.


Your Daddy was right, that is good sound financial advice.

But this has nothing to do with being your being conservative, necessarily. I am very fiscally conservative, both on an individual scale and a political scale- while being moderately to fairly socially liberal.


And Obama is not to blame for the US debt.

Oh YES He is ..He is the President .. its all HIS... The buck stops there... He asked --ok HE BEGGED for the job ..So He gets ALL the credit for better or what is worse than worse ?
because thats where we are going .. The US debt is not a FIXED Intrest rate.. do you know what will happen when the inflation hits ? the intrest rates will climb,it will cripple the US economy like we haven't seen in my lifetime it's going to make the gas lines from the days of Jimmy Carter pale incomparsion.. IMO..

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by CalifGuy

I'd play along too, must be one hell of a golf course.




BTW I'm not bankrupt, my math is pretty good too.

It is...

[roni]

Originally Posted by roni

And those benefits funded by those of us who are net taxpayers, surely they do not hurt you, but they should make you a bit more humble and less of a braggart, I would think - maybe even show a bit of gratitude.

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

I was wondering how long that would take since y'all got nothin...

We have been here before .. I ain't biting... Plus I'm not driving the country into a canyon ..Obama is...

Fact is Phillip, if you had not bragged about it to start with, no one here would know about it.

I am sure gingele could tell us the legal term for using something that was brought up first by the person who now has decided maybe it wasn't such a good idea to bring it up in the first place, but in common sense terms, you squeezed the toothpaste out of the tube and it is difficult to put it back in.

[CalifGuy]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Oh YES He is ..He is the President .. its all HIS... The buck stops there... He asked --ok HE BEGGED for the job ..So He gets ALL the credit for better or what is worse than worse ?
because thats where we are going .. The US debt is not a FIXED Intrest rate.. do you know what will happen when the inflation hits ? the intrest rates will climb,it will cripple the US economy like we haven't seen in my lifetime it's going to make the gas lines from the days of Jimmy Carter pale incomparsion.. IMO..

Yes it is fixed....Obama is borrowing when interest rates are low, 1 yr treasuries below 1%.....Bush on the other hand borrowed when rates were high..hovering around 5% on one yr treasuries.

But that's not really the point is it.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by roni

Fact is Phillip, if you had not bragged about it to start with, no one here would know about it.

I am sure gingele could tell us the legal term for using something that was brought up first by the person who now has decided maybe it wasn't such a good idea to bring it up in the first place, but in common sense terms, you squeezed the toothpaste out of the tube and it is difficult to put it back in.

I don't wish to take back what I shared .. Quite the opposite..


I would hope some of you liberals would get so damn mad you would vote against such credits,rebates and social giveaways.. and WAKE UP..

But you wont,I have come to realize you are to blinded by your hate ..You will just pick one person (me) to bash instead of looking at the real problem in the system ...Socialism .... you will vote to keep us on this unsustainable path of Spending money we simply don't have till it collapses, then walk away and blame some (R) instead of yourself ..

and its true even the (R) do it to some .. both sides are to blame .. The Tea Party is trying to put a stop to it.. Yes us Nutters..

But look what happens the minute (R) try to back up the bus over unsustainable spending and debt..... The liberals and the media try to throw them under it with lies and deception.....


IMO, if society really cared about the so called poor, they would get rid of most social programs and make us stand on our own 2 feet, Eliminate the IRS and the income tax.... Reform the tax code to a flat federal sales tax say 10-20%.. No credits,No rebates ,No loopholes for anyone .. the more you spend the more tax you pay.. its fair and it simple everyone pitches in..... problem is politicians couldn't use it for propaganda (Class Warfare) ..

Put the poor to work earning those welfare checks,foods stamps, AFDC, ect.. I dont care if its picking up trash on the highway or cutting weeds with a machete to get it..Yes Women too.!!! ..You will be surprised how fast they find a job.. if they are to lazy to do that.. I say starve ,be homeless and we'll take your kids ..I don't care, if they don't care ... Literally..

2nd WE MUST deport all Illegals... not just for the job market .. the fact is we cant afford to feed and give free medical and a free education to the world !!! thats just reality...
But again the Liberals need that dependant vote to keep themselves in Power .. they don't give a crap about the slave labor market the illegals work in..just as long as the majority vote (D)

The Liberals are just the Socialist of the 50s and 60s...

3rd We must pass a balanced budget amendment to the constitution to keep both parties in financial line..

Good Day....

EDIT I aslo believe Obama was right about 1 thing You should have some skin in the game .. To me that should mean, you should have to be a property owner to be able to vote !!!

[roni]

Positive jobs report this morning

[roni]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

EDIT I aslo believe Obama was right about 1 thing You should have some skin in the game .. To me that should mean, you should have to be a property owner to be able to vote !!!

Good to see you want to disenfranchise millions people, and not just those who are going to move to another country

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Put the poor to work earning those welfare checks,foods stamps, AFDC, ect.. I dont care if its picking up trash on the highway or cutting weeds with a machete to get it..Yes Women too.!!! ..You will be surprised how fast they find a job.. if they are to lazy to do that.. I say starve ,be homeless and we'll take your kids ..I don't care, if they don't care ... Literally..

Easy peasy solution. Until you try to live on a full time, minimum wage job. Welfare to work without education incentives yields poor results. With education incentives, people fare much better.

The Family Support Act of 1988 sent a strong signal to states and localities — a signal that was amplified in the 1996 welfare reform law — that it was important to move people from welfare to work. States responded by developing welfare-to-work programs that were more complex, offered a wider spectrum of services, were implemented on a broader scale, and targeted for enrollment more groups of welfare recipients. The findings from NEWWS provide compelling evidence that these programs succeeded in achieving many of FSA’s and program operators’ principal explicit goals. All the programs increased people’s employment and earnings and decreased their receipt of welfare, thus resulting in gains in people’s self-sufficiency. Notably, mothers who were single parents achieved these benefits with few concomitant indications of harm or benefit to the well-being of their children. Despite these successes, however, none of the programs met FSA’s implicit goal of making people materially better off. The NEWWS programs generally did not increase income or reduce poverty. Indeed, some of the more disadvantaged program enrollees were made worse off financially.

Full study here:

Moving People from Welfare to Work: Lessons from the National Evaluation of Welfare-to-Work Strategies - Summary

[gingele]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

EDIT I aslo believe Obama was right about 1 thing You should have some skin in the game .. To me that should mean, you should have to be a property owner to be able to vote !!!

Only if you own your property free & clear. Otherwise, the bank gets your vote.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by gingele

Only if you own your property free & clear. Otherwise, the bank gets your vote.

That would be fine by me ...
not the bank getting to use my vote tho.. ..

[gingele]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

That would be fine by me ...
not the bank getting to use my vote tho.. ..

What, the note holder doesn't have "skin in the game"?

[CalifGuy]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

I forget but how many jobs a month have to be created just to break even ?

Originally Posted by CalifGuy

I'm not sure of the exact number, but I think 200,000 plus will be enough to get Obama re-elected.

Originally Posted by roni

Positive jobs report this morning

WASHINGTON — The U.S. economy posted a second straight month of solid gains in March as the nation’s jobless rate fell to a two-year low of 8.8 percent, marking a decisive shift in the labor market that should help to underpin the economic recovery.
Businesses created 216,000 jobs last month, according to the Labor Department’s latest employment report, after adding 192,000 jobs in February. The past two months mark the fastest two-month pace of job creation since before the recession began. Factories, retailers, education, health care and an array of professional and financial services expanded payrolls.

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by gingele

What, the note holder doesn't have "skin in the game"?

1 vote per property owner, not 1 vote per property...

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Easy peasy solution. Until you try to live on a full time, minimum wage job. Welfare to work without education incentives yields poor results. With education incentives, people fare much better.

I'd agree with that.

FWIW, minimum wage jobs are not intended for adults, those are for HS and College kids. No adult should try to live on minimum wage, its dang near impossible.