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Old 01-18-2011   #46 (permalink)
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How desensitized many of you sound, I am a bit saddened by this.

The word used is RAPE, not beaten, not abused, not anything else, to be concerned more about which country has worse stats or that police in other areas have been accused of RAPE is really so upsetting to me.

I feel that it should not matter what the rules are in a country you come from or go to, RAPE is illegal in all of our countries, it should not matter what you do or who you piss off RAPE is not OK in any way for any reason.

I think once you have been RAPED you will be entitled to judge how one should act or how to tell who is fishy or not fishy. I have seen more emotion and understanding shown on questions regarding Speeding Morditas.

This thread is sad in more ways than one
I agree with pretty much everything you say here.

Her story alone is scary and if true, tragic.

Unfortunately her husband's story has some pretty bizarre and somewhat incredulous aspects to it. Rightly or wrongly, his story clouds hers.
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Bad cops happen.
Those guys should be hung by their nuts.
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It sort of doesn't matter if they're lying because the credibility of Mexican police and authorities is pretty close to zero, so short of video footage showing her during her entire stay with the police they really have no way to fight such an allegation.
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Right, and like I said, I have no reason to not believe that it's possible. I do think it's strange the rape kit came back negative--unlikely that a rapist would take the time to wear a condom, especially in Mexico, where condom use isn't exactly mandatory.

Her manner on the video seems sort of nonchalant to me, but who am I to say how someone should behave after something that terrible happened?

I, too, hope they get to the bottom of this. Particularly seeing as I live here and this could potentially happen to me, should I have occasion to run-in with the local cops.
Let's please let the facts fall where they may before judging either way. Yes "bad cops happen" and I for one detest when that happens, but again let the facts fall where they may first.
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OTTAWA - Ottawa is asking the Mexican government to "get to the bottom" of allegations a Canadian tourist was gang-raped and robbed by Mexican police on New Year's Eve.
"We have asked the Mexican ambassador not only to look at [this case], but we've asked him to set an inquiry in place," Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said Tuesday.
"We take these allegations very seriously."
Rebecca Rutland, a 41-year-old social worker doing her thesis in Thunder Bay, Ont., told the CBC she was on vacation in the resort town of Playa del Carmen over the holidays when a confrontation broke out between Mexican officers and her fiance.
Rutland said she was taken to the police station and raped by two officers while a supervisor looked on.
The couple was robbed of jewelry and hundreds of dollars, she said.
Mexican authorities told the CBC they dispute the couple's version of the events and deny Rutland was raped.
The couple was drunk and quarreling with police in front of witnesses when they were arrested, the Mexican officials said.
A spokesman for Foreign Affairs said the ministry is "very concerned" about the allegations.
"We welcome the Government of Mexico's investigation into these allegations, and we expect a thorough and transparent investigation and a timely resolution to this case," Alain Cacchione said Tuesday in an email.
The website warns travellers to exercise a high degree of caution when travelling to Mexico, due to high levels of drug-fuelled violence and deteriorating security.
While most tourist areas have not been affected by the violence, the ministry warns Canadians to avoid all non-essential travel to the Mexico-United States border.
The site also says that there have been reports of Mexican police officers arresting tourists for minor violations or unlawfully taking their money.
Liberal consular affairs critic Dan McTeague called the allegations "highly serious and unusual," adding that they "could produce some unintended results for all of us."
"The concern here is to get to the bottom of what transpired and to ensure that the investigation is thorough," said McTeague.
McTeague also urged the Mexican government to consider inviting the RCMP into the investigation.
The Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty between Canada and Mexico states that Canada can co-operate in criminal investigation if invited to do so.
"There is obviously an interest between the two nations given the large number of Canadians who travel there," McTeague said.
"Mexico is one of our most significant trade partners, so there is a lot to be considered here."
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Mexico Is NOT Safe~Please read!!

Mexico is a dangerous country to travel to period! Hundreds of U.S. and Canadian citizens are either raped, robbed or killed in Mexico every year. A shocking 32% of all non-natural deaths of U.S. citizen’s outside this country occur in Mexico. Many of these deaths happen inside of the resorts and are a direct result of poor or nonexistent safety standards. To read tragic Mexico vacation death stories, as well as stories written by victims that “survived” their Mexico vacation, go to:
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At the airport and just caught the CBC story but have read about this all day.
1. Are they still in Playa? It seems like they are- is there a legal reason anyone is aware of for this? It's been weeks..
2. I saw the woman's mugshot... she already has the "bite mark" under her chin- are these pics taken before or after a prisoner is held?
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I think once you have been RAPED you will be entitled to judge how one should act or how to tell who is fishy or not fishy. I have seen more emotion and understanding shown on questions regarding Speeding Morditas.
I agree with some of what you say too.

But...

I don't think you have to be a rape victim to have an opinion. And I don't know if it's anyone's place to judge, rape victim or not. Let's say that I am not judging, even though according to you, I am entitled to.
There's a lot of speculation, and discussion, some not all that helpful and a bit off topic. But that's kind of what you're going to get when you open something like this up to public scrunity.
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This is awful. The images of Rebecca Rutland in a hospital/clinic are haunting.

Mexico's ambassador to Canada is Francisco J. Barrio Terrazas. He was the governor of Chihuahua from 1992-2000(?). During his tenure as governor, over three hundred women disappeared and/or were murdered in Ciudad Juarez. The majority of them were young women who were assembly plant workers. When confronted with this, he indicated that it was their fault because they were out late at night and/or because of the way they dressed. Even though several organizations protested his indifference towards this issue, Barrio Terrazas refused to investigate the matter. It will be interesting to see how much pressure he puts into the officials in the Mexican government to conduct an investigation of Rebecca Rutland's rape.
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At the airport and just caught the CBC story but have read about this all day.
1. Are they still in Playa? It seems like they are- is there a legal reason anyone is aware of for this? It's been weeks..
2. I saw the woman's mugshot... she already has the "bite mark" under her chin- are these pics taken before or after a prisoner is held?
1. If they are seeking legal counsel, it is probably best done in Mexico.
2. Why does this matter?
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I did not mean to discount the seriousness of these allegations and fervently hope a thorough, honest investigation is conducted.
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1. If they are seeking legal counsel, it is probably best done in Mexico.
2. Why does this matter?
1. thanks
2. Just curious (I'm a big Dateline fan)
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a tiny bit more info.... they have now returned home. And the story may have changed a bit.

CBC News - Canada - Tourist alleging rape in Mexico returns home
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Mexico is a dangerous country to travel to period! Hundreds of U.S. and Canadian citizens are either raped, robbed or killed in Mexico every year. A shocking 32% of all non-natural deaths of U.S. citizen’s outside this country occur in Mexico. Many of these deaths happen inside of the resorts and are a direct result of poor or nonexistent safety standards. To read tragic Mexico vacation death stories, as well as stories written by victims that “survived” their Mexico vacation, go to:
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I feel perfectly safe here as do most everyone who visits this area.
More fear mongering on your part.
Common sense is all - as is required anywhere.
Thanks for your participation.
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1. If they are seeking legal counsel, it is probably best done in Mexico.
2. Why does this matter?
it matters because if the photo was taken before being held, then the bite mark should not be there. I highly doubt after being raped she would be sitting there with no tears etc for the pic. But it is all speculation.
As for the new story out it says now that they hit a car and were arrested.
Who knows only time well tell.
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a tiny bit more info.... they have now returned home. And the story may have changed a bit.

CBC News - Canada - Tourist alleging rape in Mexico returns home
Yep. A different account.
I wonder if the preliminary information (about attacking each other) came from local authorities or witnesses.
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