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If he serious, WHY would he announce his intention to the world? He just made actually doing it much more difficult..
And also guarantees a more serious charge of some variety of premeditated murder should he actually go through with his threat.
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Daniel Pearl was the journalist beheaded by Muslim terrorists. As it says at the top of that link:

His father seems to be the driving force behind that. Just seemed like a valuable contrast to the more revenge-oriented sort of approach, to me...
Thanks. I remember him now. I feel differently about people being killed in war than a child being killed by a psychopath. I can understand the fact that "the enemy" applies to both sides. I could forgive a Japanese soldier for taking the life of an American soldier, etc... Unfortunately Daniel Pearl was a victim of war. I just can't wrap my head around forgiving a child killer.
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If he serious, WHY would he announce his intention to the world? He just made actually doing it much more difficult..
Because he is out of his mind in pain. A valid emotion (and reaction) given the circumstances. At least in my brain.
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IMO most jury's would convict you of murder, you'd do jail time (how much I don't know), and then you'd be keeping yourself from the rest of your family. How sad would that be? First your family loses a child, and then they lose a father? That would be heartbreaking.
Pre-meditated murder too.
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Thanks. I remember him now. I feel differently about people being killed in war than a child being killed by a psychopath. I can understand the fact that "the enemy" applies to both sides. I could forgive a Japanese soldier for taking the life of an American soldier, etc... Unfortunately Daniel Pearl was a victim of war. I just can't wrap my head around forgiving a child killer.

I thought about the same thing today after seeing what Steve had posted. Totally different situation. I don't want to even imagine or try to think of what my reaction would be in a similar situation.
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You have to go a bit loose with the definitions of war and soldier to conclude that Daniel Pearl was a soldier and was killed as part of a war and by soldiers, I think. Doesn't strike me as being very like a soldier being killed by a Japanese soldier in WWII, personally.

What seems more different to me is that he was himself already an adult, of course. Nevertheless, he was someone's child who was senselessly and brutally murdered -- in a special fashion, to boot -- and I was focused on the idea of the parents having a remarkably different reaction as compared to the ones that had been prominent in this discussion.

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Quite often, after the loss of a child the family does not stay intact. I wonder if that family is still together. I assume the father is already serving a life sentence in his mind for feeling an inability to protect his child from this monster. So I can relate to how he must feel, probably like he doesn't have much to lose even by stating it outright before he murders his son's murderer. I feel terrible for him and their family.
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Many parents do not live to see justice:

Death Row Killer Outlives Victim's Heartbroken Dad Who Sought Justice for 27 Years

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You have to go a bit loose with the definitions of war and soldier to conclude that Daniel Pearl was a soldier and was killed as part of a war and by soldiers, I think. Doesn't strike me as being very like a soldier being killed by a Japanese soldier in WWII, personally.

What seems more different to me is that he was himself already an adult, of course. Nevertheless, he was someone's child who was senselessly and brutally murdered -- in a special fashion, to boot -- and I was focused on the idea of the parents having a remarkably different reaction as compared to the ones that had been prominent in this discussion.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...r-met-1.291141



A really good article by his Dad.
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He's in Rhode Island he can have this taken care of...................
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Thanks for that.

One excerpt offering more detail on the kind of thing that made me think of him:

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The foundation you established in you son's name has a program for journalists from Muslim countries. How does it work?

It's a scholarship or fellowship for mid-career journalists from Muslim-dominated countries to come to the U.S. and work for six months at a major newspaper and go back to their countries and tell the readers what they have learned about the U.S. and the Jewish community in the U.S. They also work at least one week at a Jewish publication...
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John Foreman tells DePetro in an exclusive interview " I will Kill Michael Woodmansee" | Rhode Island Breaking News, RI Politics, Top Stories | Text WPRO to 68255 for mobile news.

Link to the interview where the dads says he will kill his sons murderer if he is released.
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Thanks for that.

One excerpt offering more detail on the kind of thing that made me think of him:
I am in awe of his father, I have read dozens of articles by him about his son.
He is an example of true class and intellect
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You have to go a bit loose with the definitions of war and soldier to conclude that Daniel Pearl was a soldier and was killed as part of a war and by soldiers, I think. Doesn't strike me as being very like a soldier being killed by a Japanese soldier in WWII, personally.

What seems more different to me is that he was himself already an adult, of course. Nevertheless, he was someone's child who was senselessly and brutally murdered -- in a special fashion, to boot -- and I was focused on the idea of the parents having a remarkably different reaction as compared to the ones that had been prominent in this discussion.

The discussion here is by people who have not faced the loss of their child like the father of the 5 year old, or of someone like Daniel Pearl. None of us know how we would respond in a real situation like these. Maybe Uno might turn out to be more like Pearl's father, and you more like the 5 year old's father. We don't know. Posters are saying how they would respond but it's more fantasy than reality.

So while it's good to see two different reactions, everyone is DIFFERENT, not so? What feels right for one individual, won't feel right for another person.

I don't see one being classy and one not. I only see the father's pain and his gut reaction to the killer of his 5 year old baby. I am not saying he's right. Only he can say what is right for HIM. Daniel Pearl was an adult. We don't know if that makes a difference.
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The discussion here is by people who have not faced the loss of their child like the father of the 5 year old, or of someone like Daniel Pearl. None of us know how we would respond in a real situation like these. Maybe Uno might turn out to be more like Pearl's father, and you more like the 5 year old's father. We don't know. Posters are saying how they would respond but it's more fantasy than reality.

So while it's good to see two different reactions, everyone is DIFFERENT, not so? What feels right for one individual, won't feel right for another person.

I don't see one being classy and one not. I only see the father's pain and his gut reaction to the killer of his 5 year old baby. I am not saying he's right. Only he can say what is right for HIM. Daniel Pearl was an adult. We don't know if that makes a difference.
Well again, I was focused on bringing up a remarkably different type of reaction as compared to the revenge-oriented ones being discussed prominently in the thread.

To me, Judea Pearl's has been quite remarkable and admirable and also shows real class, yes. That I just think intuitively -- I wouldn't know why people wouldn't agree (but it's OK if they do, of course, as everyone has their opinion).

I was not trying to be critical of the other reactions. As I also said, I hope to the greater powers that nothing like that ever happens to a child of mine, or as a result, ends me up in such a position. I think it's an entirely understandable reaction to have, to want to kill the perpetrator.

At the same time, it's saddening to me to think about. It made me think of the film Munich, actually, and the whole cycle of violence that seems to get nowhere. The Pearl example seems potentially hopeful to me in terms of an alternative to that end.
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