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Old 03-10-2011   #46 (permalink)
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The discussion here is by people who have not faced the loss of their child like the father of the 5 year old, or of someone like Daniel Pearl. None of us know how we would respond in a real situation like these. Maybe Uno might turn out to be more like Pearl's father, and you more like the 5 year old's father. We don't know. Posters are saying how they would respond but it's more fantasy than reality.

So while it's good to see two different reactions, everyone is DIFFERENT, not so? What feels right for one individual, won't feel right for another person.

I don't see one being classy and one not. I only see the father's pain and his gut reaction to the killer of his 5 year old baby. I am not saying he's right. Only he can say what is right for HIM. Daniel Pearl was an adult. We don't know if that makes a difference.
Very well put. My thoughts are based on how I "think" I would feel. I am thankful I have never had to be in the situation. As for Daniel Pearl, he understood the dangers he faced and chose to face them. Apples and oranges.

I have read stories (sorry no back up data) of people who have forgiven and even supported killers of loved ones. I just can't find that idealism in my head. I hope I never have to try.
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I am not really an eye for an eye type as most here evidently are. I think much better revenge is stating as this dad has that heks out for blood and then having the criminal live in fear that that guy could come after him at any time.


Now I have to ask because of the other thread...but most people who behave as this psychopath has behave that way as a result of circumstance, not because they were born ill (I feel bad for thhose born with a mental illness that causes them to behave this way). So my question to all of you who are proilife, if a parent knows they are not able to love and nurture there child (and this is the outcome) or you could foresee these circumstances occuring, do you still advocate pro-life?
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Very well put. My thoughts are based on how I "think" I would feel. I am thankful I have never had to be in the situation. As for Daniel Pearl, he understood the dangers he faced and chose to face them. Apples and oranges.

I have read stories (sorry no back up data) of people who have forgiven and even supported killers of loved ones. I just can't find that idealism in my head. I hope I never have to try.
I really don't get your take on Daniel Pearl. You know he was a journalist, right?

I was also thinking though that there must be other cases of a similar response where a child was involved...

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Wow -- talk about a group you hope you're never eligible to join:

The National Organization of Parents Of Murdered Children, Inc. For the families and friends of those who have died by violence. (POMC)
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Very well put. My thoughts are based on how I "think" I would feel. I am thankful I have never had to be in the situation. As for Daniel Pearl, he understood the dangers he faced and chose to face them. Apples and oranges.

I have read stories (sorry no back up data) of people who have forgiven and even supported killers of loved ones. I just can't find that idealism in my head. I hope I never have to try.

I have heard/read of them too. As I said, everyone is different. Some handle pain differently, and some have the need to hurt the ones who hurt them. Pearl was a journalist, and most of these journalists must know that they're putting themselves in some kind of danger. Other journalists have been killed, though not in the horrific way he was, but they were killed doing their jobs. That is completely different from a child being murdered. A poor, innocent child who cannot understand why his/her parents are not there to rescue/save them. Totally different from an adult who chose to go to an area where the outcome could be negative for them.

I totally get where you are coming from. Many parents have said to me that they would kill for their kids, or they would die for them.
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Quite often, after the loss of a child the family does not stay intact.
That is true, it can be difficult to remain emotionally available to each other when each is going through their own personal hell.
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But especially if we're saying, "Nobody really knows what it would be like or how they would react, exactly, without it happening to their child," how can we turn around and say, "However, it was a totally different thing for Jared Pearl when his son Daniel was captured and beheaded"?

Sorry but that loses me, adult or no. We're still talking about a parent's reaction to the shocking murder of their child, so...
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I was also thinking though that there must be other cases of a similar response where a child was involved...

John Walsh.

I agree Steve..it would be terrible to loose a child at any age under those circumstances.


I think Daniel Pearls father is amazing as well. I would not say he has forgiven his sons killers, but he has tried to make something postive out of something horrible. I have read some of the articles and books he has written from his perspective on the murder of his son. I love his book, "I am Jewish, inspired by the last words of Daniel Pearl."

I am quite sure I could never be so noble if some one murdered my child.

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John Walsh.

I agree Steve..it would be terrible to loose a child at any age under those circumstances.


I think Daniel Pearls father is amazing as well. I would not say he has forgiven his sons killers, but he has tried to make something postive out of something horrible. I have read some of the articles and books he has written from his perspective on the murder of his son. I love his book, "I am Jewish, inspired by the last words of Daniel Pearl."

I am quite sure I could never be so noble if some one murdered my child.
Yes and again I was bringing up the example as a contrast and alternative to that sort of "eye for an eye" approach (as mofi put it), but not trying to claim that I personally would be like that!

That's a good word for it: noble.

Anyway, i'll check out John Walsh here and, given your comments, maybe pick up a book by Pearl.

Edit: Ah, OK, I remember Walsh now. Saw a program on that case on TV a while back...

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Hang, draw and quarter the bastard........no human should suffer for the pleasure of evil
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agreed, and I hope it will be a worse death than his child had to go thru.
I have no simpathy for child abuswrs / murderers.
I just wish them the most painful, slow death.

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I am DISGUSTED that someone who has KIDNAPPED, let alone MURDERED A CHILD should be given anything but life without parole. I cannot imagine the pain the father went through, first with his child disappearing, then learning he was abducted, tortured and eaten by a monster (even if 16). The pain, the anguish. This is sick, so is the killer, and he should not have a second chance, ever.
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Old 03-13-2011   #58 (permalink)
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why are people evil? this is an epidemic.......... why? what happened to humanity? Your child is whipped away while playing in the yard? your child is taken regardless. Adults are taken from car parks, car washes, colleges, work ,home, HOME??HOME??HOME!!!!
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Old 03-13-2011   #59 (permalink)
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you could also say I want a boy over a girl..........that IS LIFE
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MOFI......Is life good for you?? then why not for unborn? please MOFI give them a chance
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