2010 Census results: What does they mean for the US?

[roni]

How Many Hispanics? Comparing Census Counts and Census Estimates - Pew Hispanic Center

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

If this birth rate was American .. the liberals would be complaining that we were over populating the earth and destroying it and robbing the resources faster than everyone else .. But thats different of course..

That is total bullshit.

Overpopulated is overpopulated, period.

Whether it's people who are green, pink, Christian, Muslim, white or hispanic- personally, I don't discriminate.

The earth is an ecosystem and it has a carrying capacity that is sustainable like any other ecosystem - just on a larger scale. At a projected ten billion people by 2050, we are over-exceeding that by billions already.

People in North America have a tough grasping that, since we are relatively low populated compared to other continents, that's all. Add in some religious teaching that teaches people to go forth an multiply, and you have millions in denial.


Learn how to use birth control, indeed.

[Davev]

Originally Posted by Seakony

There is no xenophobia...where do you people get these nutter ideas? The immigrants from the past came here to work and become citizens..they wanted their children to be educated..they worked for what they got, not given any freebies..they prospered and most important, they learned english, blended, and melted into the pot. OH.. and came here LEGALLY and most with a job waiting for them. You know, back when there was alot of jobs and not enough people..so ..they went to places overseas and actually recruited them. They were invited!

Wow - JOBS WAITING FOR THEM? Did them get them off MONSTER.COM or maybe CRAIGSLIST??
Irish Immigrants in America during the 19th Century
Our immigrant ancestors were not wanted in America. Ads for employment often were followed by "NO IRISH NEED APPLY." They were forced to live in cellars and shanties, partly because of poverty but also because they were considered bad for the neighborhood...they were unfamiliar with plumbing and running water. These living conditions bred sickness and early death. It was estimated that 80% of all infants born to Irish immigrants in New York City died. Their brogue and dress provoked ridicule; their poverty and illiteracy provoked scorn.

The Chicago Post wrote, "The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses...Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country."

Instead of apologizing for themselves they united and took offense. Insult or intimidation was often met with violence. Solidarity was their strength, they helped each other survive city life. They prayed and drank together. The men seemed to do more drinking than praying, yet it was their faith and dogged determination to become Americans that led one newspaper to say, "The Irish have become more Americanized than the Americans."
Not only the men worked, but the women too. They became chamber maids, cooks, and the caretakers of children. Early Americans disdained this type of work, fit only for servants, the common sentiment being, "Let Negroes be servants, and if not Negroes, let Irishmen fill their place..." The Blacks hated the Irish and it appeared to be a mutual feeling. They were the first to call the Irish "white nigger."

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by ryberg

I don't see why it would not be seen as good, myself. It appears to be a continuation of a strong, positive, fundamental trend of America. I also personally like diversity of people, languages, views.

I dont see why anyone would think that its "good" that one race or ethnicity is expanding to become the majority in a certain area. This sounds almost akin to something I would expect to hear from a KKK member. I am not saying that you are a racist but it certainly is an odd statement to be "rooting" for a specific race. What difference does it make. I like people of all races in all areas. Would it be a "good" thing if the amount of caucasians were going to overtake all others in an area in Mexico for instance?

[Davev]

Is it bad?

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by Davev

Is it bad?

Please be more specific.

[Rissask]

how about 'ambivalent'?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

I dont see why anyone would think that its "good" that one race or ethnicity is expanding to become the majority in a certain area. This sounds almost akin to something I would expect to hear from a KKK member. I am not saying that you are a racist but it certainly is an odd statement to be "rooting" for a specific race. What difference does it make. I like people of all races in all areas. Would it be a "good" thing if the amount of caucasians were going to overtake all others in an area in Mexico for instance?

What the...

Maybe you should try reading what I said again. Here it is, for your reference:

Originally Posted by ryberg

I don't see why it would not be seen as good, myself. It appears to be a continuation of a strong, positive, fundamental trend of America. I also personally like diversity of people, languages, views.

I refer explicitly to liking diversity, and a diverse population, traditionally a defining characteristic of the United States, and one that seems to be portrayed and viewed as rather positive in our society. Perhaps you have a different referent in mind for "it"? Your original question to me was because I had said this:

Originally Posted by ryberg

I noted a few years ago (here, if it matters) that Denver had become a minority majority city.

I find all this to be a good, and unscary, trend.

And that comment was in response to the OP, where roni noted excerpts from his article such as

Originally Posted by roni

"Much of the future of labor supply, of leadership in the United States is going to come from groups that historically have not received attention," Stoll said.

and

Minority population growing in the United States, census estimates show
Minorities now make up about 35% of the country's population

No clue how you got to your remarks here in this last post. Just to take one prominent and strange point, I have not once rooted for any specific race or group of people.

[Davev]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Please be more specific.

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

I dont see why anyone would think that its "good" that one race or ethnicity is expanding to become the majority in a certain area.

Would you say it's bad?

[Mikey]

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Davev

Would you say it's bad?

Yes, that's my take exactly...

Originally Posted by Mikey

Sad to see that someone would take the time to actually make such an image and then post it online.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Yes, that's my take exactly...

Sad to see that someone would take the time to actually make such an image and then post it online.

Took a minute. That's really not much time.

[roni]

Fact is the country isn't full, though.

As difficult as it may be to believe it in these times of high (but lowering) unemployment, what I am read there is going to be a shortage of workers in the not too distant future. In fact, this is supposed to put those of us in our 50's in a good position as we approach retirement. Supposedly, we will be able to continue working if we want with flexible arrangements galore just to keep our productivity in the work force.

We'll see, I reckon.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Took a minute. That's really not much time.

A minute is still too much, as it's the thinking that is sad, of course.

Even objectively speaking, the US is far, far from "full" by any even near reasonable standard of population density (something I believe Maggie was just pointing out, in fact, though I don't immediately recall where that was).

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Yes, that's my take exactly...

Sad to see that someone would take the time to actually make such an image and then post it online.

it is possible for someone to agree with the sentiment in that image without it being for racist reasons, in your opinion?

F'rinstance.....I think 35 million is a pretty decent population for my country. Maybe we can add another 5 million, but I think that is enough, looking at it purely from sustainability and environmental standpoint. Any higher than that and we start running into real problems-overcrowded cities, too much wilderness encroachment, soil depletion and alkalinity from irrigation, fresh water supply issues, oil, gas, lumber,fish, etc etc etc etc......

or are these issues eclipsed by the zenophobia argument? Should they really be? I for one don't give a crap about that part of population issues.