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Old 09-02-2011   #1 (permalink)
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Keystone Alberta-to-US Pipeline Protests

Maybe someone could explain why there are protests about this pipeline.


Y'all would think y'all prefer getting oil from the Middle East!

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WASHINGTON - U.S. President Barack Obama wasn't around to see it, but 65 protesters were arrested Saturday as they participated in a peaceful protest outside the White House aimed at pressuring him to block TransCanada's controversial Keystone XL pipeline.

Bill McKibben, a leading American environmentalist and one of the organizers of the two-week protest, was among those arrested. Others included gay rights activist Dan Choi; Jane Hamsher, the founder of the popular liberal blog Firedoglake; and Gus Speth, a onetime environmental expert under former president Jimmy Carter.

About 100 protesters, carrying a large banner that read "Climate Change Is Not In Our National Interest," gathered at Lafayette Square directly north of the White House on a sunny and humid Saturday morning. They chanted "hey-ho, Keystone XL has got to go" as they stood on the sidewalk that runs along the White House's wrought-iron fence.

When they didn't respond to requests to move from the sidewalk, U.S. Park Police and SWAT officers handcuffed them and removed them from the area one after the other.

Obama, meantime, was vacationing with his family in Martha's Vineyard.

But when he returns late next week, the protesters say they'll still be there to protest a Canadian project that has become a lightning rod for the U.S. environmental movement in the wake of failed climate change legislation once passionately promoted by Obama.




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Reason is in the atricle:

Bill McKibben, a leading American environmentalist and one of the organizers of the two-week protest, was among those arrested. Others included gay rights activist Dan Choi; Jane Hamsher, the founder of the popular liberal blog Firedoglake; and Gus Speth, a onetime environmental expert under former president Jimmy Carter.

About 100 protesters, carrying a large banner that read "Climate Change Is Not In Our National Interest," gathered at Lafayette Square directly north of the White House on a sunny and humid Saturday morning. They chanted "hey-ho, Keystone XL has got to go" as they stood on the sidewalk that runs along the White House's wrought-iron fence.

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Maybe someone could explain why there are protests about this pipeline.


Y'all would think y'all prefer getting oil from the Middle East!

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There was a recent piece done on The Newshour on the subject here...it is very enlightening regarding the reasons one might oppose this...as well as the reasons why one might support it.....I oppose it.
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It just seems pretty silly to me that a county SO reliant on oil would try to discourage oil from a friendly, CLOSE, neighbour, in favour of what..continuing to go to war over oil from not-so-friendly countries? That costs more to ship over here, to boot? Nuts.

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On Friday, they were dealt a blow by the U.S. State Department, which released a report finding the pipeline project will present no significant environmental problems.
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Maybe someone could explain why there are protests about this pipeline.
Because our Constitution protects the right to peacefully assemble and protest and free speech and all that stuff, and people who oppose the pipeline are exercising their rights.

That is my guess
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Because our Constitution protects the right to peacefully assemble and protest and free speech and all that stuff, and people who oppose the pipeline are exercising their rights.

That is my guess
Sorry, I guess I need to be more clear.

Wondering what the mindset is behind the protests. In regards to the question- get oil from a friendly neighbour?? OR, end up killing soldiers in a stupid war to secure a source for oil much farther away?

Seems like an easy choice. The amount of oil is the same, in the end.
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Sorry, I guess I need to be more clear.

Wondering what the mindset is behind the protests. In regards to the question- get oil from a friendly neighbour?? OR, end up killing soldiers in a stupid war to secure a source for oil much farther away?

Seems like an easy choice. The amount of oil is the same, in the end.
I imagine the protesters have articulated their reasons, therefore revealing their mindsets. There are, I have read, issues with extracting oil from the tar sands, etc... You probably know more about various sides of those issues than I do.
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I imagine the protesters have articulated their reasons, therefore revealing their mindsets. There are, I have read, issues with extracting oil from the tar sands, etc... You probably know more about various sides of those issues than I do.

I understand them being concerned about the environmental aspects.

It is not pretty. It does cause some (mostly temporary) damage. But c'est la vie. It's the world we live in.

I just think it's shooting yourself in the foot, to turn down easy access to oil from a friendly, nearby neighbour, when basically, 'beggars can't be choosers'. You know?
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I understand them being concerned about the environmental aspects.

It is not pretty. It does cause some (mostly temporary) damage. But c'est la vie. It's the world we live in.

I just think it's shooting yourself in the foot, to turn down easy access to oil from a friendly, nearby neighbour, when basically, 'beggars can't be choosers'. You know?
So you think the protesters control the policy? That is what it sounds like you might think from your posts.
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So you think the protesters control the policy? That is what it sounds like you might think from your posts.
No, of course not.




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Sorry, I guess I need to be more clear.

Wondering what the mindset is behind the protests. In regards to the question- get oil from a friendly neighbour?? OR, end up killing soldiers in a stupid war to secure a source for oil much farther away?

Seems like an easy choice. The amount of oil is the same, in the end.

NOT wondering about the protests. People can (and do!) protest about everything, from abortion to Wal Mart. That's their right. I am not picking apart that right, or saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest (in fact, 400 arrests seems harsh and overkill to me.)

Just wondering why this particular pipeline, built with failsafes galore, is so awful when there are dozens, hundreds of other pipelines criss-crossing the continent, and why someone would not think it's a good idea to get oil closer to home rather than shipped on tankers (hello, Exxon Valdez?) halfway around the world, etc. That's all.
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I am thinking that hubs company did some work on this project earlier this year.
He really loved working for/with Canadian company they were consulting with.
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No, of course not.
Seems like you are giving them more than they are due, then. Maybe a Canadian pride thing.

Maybe they are trying to save Canada .

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also, there is a specific section of the pipeline route that passes through a vast and quite vulnerable aquifer area in the midwest somewhere (sorry cant remember where...ohio? iowa? idaho? dunno something like that) where if there were a leak the results would be an ecological disaster that would affect everything in the ecosystem and would kill the economy as water from that aquifer is used for crop irrigation (and poisoned water for humans to drink as well, not unlike natural gas fracking). the state governors in the area are just asking for it to be relocated. makes complete sense to me to divert it.

then theres the whole larger issue of the tar sands itself.....
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Seems like you are giving them more than they are due, then. Maybe a Canadian pride thing.

Maybe they are trying to save Canada .

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Oh. Roni Roni Roni.....that disappoints me, to see you posting such a proppganda-filled, totally biased site like that. It's akin to posting a Rush Limbaugh editorial in response to something.

It has nothing to do with 'Canadian pride' and everything to do with common sense. Yes, the oilsands do have a 15% higher cost than pools of light sweet crude to extract....I am not denying that.

But newsflash to you and the other environmentalists- there aren't too many of the latter left, and the ones that are in countries that aren't necessarily USA fans. You do what you gotta do.

The oil is coming out of those sands whether people like it or not, I am afraid.

And a pipeline is a lot better and safer of a way to transport it than by railcar or truck tanker or tanker.
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Oh. Roni Roni Roni.....that disappoints me, to see you posting such a proppganda-filled, totally biased site like that. It's akin to posting a Rush Limbaugh editorial in response to something.

It has nothing to do with 'Canadian pride' and everything to do with common sense. Yes, the oilsands do have a 15% higher cost than pools of light sweet crude to extract....I am not denying that.

But newsflash to you and the other environmentalists- there aren't too many of the latter left, and the ones that are in countries that aren't necessarily USA fans. You do what you gotta do.

The oil is coming out of those sands whether people like it or not, I am afraid.

And a pipeline is a lot better and safer of a way to transport it than by railcar or truck tanker or tanker.

Riss - you and I got into a "discussion" over this about the time that I joined up on these forums.

I was working for an environmental consulting company that was working on permitting "The Alberta Clipper," another pipeline owned by this same company (Enbridge) that does this exact same thing with the tar sands. I actually took part in doing quite a bit of the USGS land use data for the pipeline foot print that just opened in 2010. (I only worked for them for a few months on contract between jobs right out of school).

You were pretty adamant against the tar sands production at the time, IIRC.
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