Catholic Church In Uproar Over Health Care Law

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Mikey

**** you? Does that qualify as morally ambivalent?

No, Mikey, that should be crystal clear. And I extend the sentiment to anyone who thinks I might be an apologist for "after birth abortion." Who thinks because I am a liberal that I'm incapable of recognizing "grey area" when it comes to the topic of abortion. Who chides me for not condemning extremist losers with enough force to suit him when conservatives can rarely be bothered to return the favor with their extremists losers.

[Rissask]

I have to agree that it is pretty damn ignorant and insulting to attempt to paint all liberals or pro choice advocates as being on a level with someone who might think killing newborn babies.


Why post the article and write what you did about there being "no grey areas in the thinking' of liberals- and then try to backpedal, Jeff? Talk about disingenuousness.

[melliedee]

I apologize for resorting to obscenities. I'm fully aware that it's not only against forum rules, but also offensive to others---and for that, and only that, I am actually sorry. It was a heat of the moment, petty rhetorical flourish and I know better.

I also think that my poorly expressed outrage was deserving and cannot in good faith renounce it or take it back. I stand by it and accept whatever lumps I have coming.

[james]

good timing

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by james

good timing

Public trial? I choose Gingele as my one phone call.

[STOGEY]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Public trial? I choose Gingele as my one phone call.

Guilty

[STOGEY]

Originally Posted by Mercy

Wow, I just read this, however this was really hard to digest. Is this for real??! Wake up people, this is just the next step in the whole pro-choice movement.

I read the headline the other day. Unless you're old enough to exploit politically. You're not a person.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by STOGEY

Guilty

A-hem. My lawyer has not arrived yet.

But while we're on the subject of denouncing extremists, let's look at two responses to Rush's "slut" comments side by side.

Romney:

"It's not the language I would have used," Romney replied. "I'm focusing on the issues that I think are significant in the country today, and that's why I'm here talking about jobs in Ohio."

Obama:

“I don’t know what’s in Rush Limbaugh’s heart, so I’m not going to comment on the sincerity of his apology,” Obama said. “What I can comment on is the fact that all decent folks can agree that the remarks that were made don’t have any place in the public discourse.”

He called Fluke, he said, “because I thought about Malia and Sasha, and one of the things I want them to do as they get older is to engage in issues they care about; even ones I may not agree with them on. ... And I don’t want them attacked or called horrible names because they’re being good citizens.”

[STOGEY]

Originally Posted by melliedee

A-hem. My lawyer has not arrived yet.

But while we're on the subject of denouncing extremists, let's look at two responses to Rush's "slut" comments side by side.

Romney:



Obama:

I agree with both statements.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by melliedee

A-hem. My lawyer has not arrived yet.

But while we're on the subject of denouncing extremists, let's look at two responses to Rush's "slut" comments side by side.

Romney:



Obama:

I think you are doing just fine pro-se!

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by james

good timing

Off with her head! Of course i am kidding.

[eccentrictinker]

Left-wing academics who are smarter than us make it clear how they feel about babies.....

Don't get me wrong (I'm Pro-(horrible) Choice) but, these asshat's think it's OK to abort a child AFTER it's born!

Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say - Telegraph

The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life”. The academics also argue that parents should be able to have their baby killed if it turns out to be disabled when it is born.

The journal’s editor, Prof Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, said the article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”.

The article, entitled “After-birth abortion: Why should the baby live?”, was written by two of Prof Savulescu’s former associates, Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva.

They argued: “The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus in the sense that both lack those properties that justify the attribution of a right to life to an individual.”

Rather than being “actual persons”, newborns were “potential persons”. They explained: “Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’.

[Mikey]

This has to be one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard. What the hell are these people or people like them thinking? Is this for real?


Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons
that do not have anything to do with the fetus'
health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and
newborns do not have the same moral status as
actual persons, (2) the fact that both are
potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3)
adoption is not always in the best interest of
actual people, the authors argue that what we
call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn)
should be permissible in all the cases where
abortion is, including cases where the newborn
is not disabled."

[jeffandbecky]

As far as I can tell, this is a legit article in a real paper published in an established journal of medical ethics. My personal view of the authors is that they would been well received in 30's Germany.

I think it is safe to assume that I am not on Mel's Christmas card list right now. This is just a preview of how nasty the upcoming election is going to be.

[Rissask]

Those views are not at all typical of people who are pro choice....give it up....it's insulting and ignorant to try to smear the left with this crappy example of a couple of nutcases....nothing to see here, move along already, find a new tune.