Catholic Church In Uproar Over Health Care Law

[roni]

Originally Posted by Mercy

WHY is Komen pulling it's funding?

I am pulling my donations to Komen

[spaz!]

Originally Posted by roni

Me too

I'll let it rest.

[Mercy]

PP does not provide/perform mammograms. So where is all the money going to?

[Mnbruce]

Originally Posted by Mercy

PP does not provide/perform mammograms. So where is all the money going to?

FactCheck.org : Planned Parenthood


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Q: How much of Planned Parenthood’s services are dedicated to abortions? Does the federal government fund those procedures?
A: Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law.
FULL ANSWER
We received several questions on this topic during the recent budget debate in Congress, after Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl claimed this month on the Senate floor that "well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does" is provide abortion services. That figure was wildly incorrect. Planned Parenthood says only 3 percent of its total services in 2009 were abortions. The other 97 percent of services were for contraception, treatment and tests for sexually transmitted diseases, cancer screenings, and other women’s health services.
Here’s a chart from a March 2011 fact sheet, which reported that the group performed about 11.4 million total services.

Kyl’s far-off claim was mocked by comedians Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, and Kyl’s office later walked back the statement, telling CNN that "[h]is remark was not intended to be a factual statement but rather to illustrate that Planned Parenthood, an organization that receives millions in taxpayer dollars, does subsidize abortions." That statement, too, prompted ribbing by Stewart and Colbert. But the comedic clips apparently did not make it to the inboxes of many of our readers, who sent us questions about whether or not Planned Parenthood does little more than provide abortions, and whether or not taxpayer money goes to pay for them.

Planned Parenthood’s chart shows that abortions made up 3 percent of its total services. Another way to measure the group’s abortion services, however, is to divide the total number of abortions by the number of clients. For example, Planned Parenthood said that it “provided nearly 11.4 million medical services for 3 million people” in 2009. Its 2011 fact sheet says it performed 332,278 abortion procedures in 2009. That would mean that roughly one out of every 10 clients received an abortion.

Taxpayer Funding

Planned Parenthood’s 2008-2009 annual report states that it received $363.2 million in "Government Grants and Contracts." (See page 29.) That’s about one-third of its total revenues for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2009.
However, not all of that money is from the federal government. Planned Parenthood’s government funding comes from two sources: the Title X Family Planning Program and Medicaid. About $70 million is Title X funding, Planned Parenthood spokesman Tait Sye told us. The rest — about $293 million — is Medicaid funding, which includes both federal and state money.
But Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it receives from the federal government for abortions anyway. According to the Department of Health and Human Service’s website, "by law, Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning." Medicaid funding is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only abortion cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother. Some states use their own funds under Medicaid to go beyond that. Seventeen states and, until recently, the District of Columbia pay for "medically necessary" abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The federal budget deal now bans Washington, D.C., from using its funds to pay for abortions.
– Lori Robertson and Michael Morse
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[gingele]

Originally Posted by Mercy

PP does not provide/perform mammograms. So where is all the money going to?

Your willful ignorance continues to betray you. Planned Parenthood provides MILLIONS of cancer screenings every year.

So as I said, the next time you go to your gynecologist and receive any kind of diagnostic screening for cancer, be sure to thank God that such life-saving luxuries aren't being afforded to low-income individuals:



Source: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/fil...2010-09-03.pdf

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by gingele

Not only do you not support Planned Parenthood, but you also DO support cutting funding for breast and ovarian cancer screenings for low-income women as well.

Definitely something to be proud of, Mercy. Be sure to tell your minister - maybe he'll include it in his sermon on Sunday as a shinning example of God's love.

Are you saying that Planned Parenthood is the only source for low-income women?
Have you taken a look at their website? Seems they grant alot of money to alot of places.

And in that article you posted, I did not see the Catholic church mentioned as to why Komen are stopping their funding.

Most catholics attitude towards birth control is something like this.
To the Pope...If you don't play the game, don't make the rules.

Believe me..Most catholics use birth control..and some of them even get abortions.

Now, take a valium and chill.

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by gingele

Oh trust me, I am well aware that there is nothing that will cause you to take your blinders off.

I'm just hoping that perhaps someone else reading this thread will see the despicable position that you have taken, cheering for the reduction in cancer screenings for women less fortunate than yourself. Not to mention noting the hypocrisy of your so-called "pro-life" position.

Who the hell are you to judge so quickly?
Where is the proof that being anti- choice makes anybody a hypocrite?
There are other places to get low income screenings.

Even Judism has it's ideas about abortion.
Abortion in Jewish Law

Does that make you a hypocrite?

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Don't sweat it. We don't expect much from someone with a defective gene who doesn't know her from a hole in the ground.

If Komen decided not to fund an organization because they perform abortions, I am sure they will find another organization that does not perform abortions to fund. They are not turning their backs on the poor..just one organization.

Why can't you just accept that there are people who have a different set of beliefs and stand up for them?

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by melliedee

The strange thing about the anti-PP sentiment among pro-lifers is that if PP actually did shut their doors, the result would be more abortions. By far the largest segment of their clinic is devoted to preventative cancer screens and the dispensing of birth control (not abortions, access to contraceptives and the pill) which prevents an estimated one million unintended pregnancies yearly.

Is PP only funded by Komen? Doubt it.

Ok.. here's the point.. the poor will always have access to screenings at one place or another. Ya'll are making a mountain out of a molehill just to get on your soap-box and make judgements without knowing all the facts, just what the media tells you.

There is way too much anger and name calling accusations on both sides. Make yourself feel better by going out and doing something good for somebody. It really does make you feel better.

[Mnbruce]

never mind

[January Guy]

A lot of this thread seems to be dealing with Komen/PP. But, was the Komen/PP decision impacted by the health care law? I ask this because it seems to me like most of the posts have been debating whether Komen should have stopped funding PP. Which is fine, but it almost seems like it belongs in a different thread if Komen's decision wasn't impacted by this new law. Whatever, though, I'm happy to hear the discussion anywhere.

What do people think about the law in general (ignoring Komen/PP)? Is this something that should be legislated?

What if there is a pro-life organization, and it is now required to offer its employees something that flies in the face of the organization. That it seems somewhat odd to me. One argument could be that if employees don't like the benefits offered by a certain employer, they are free to work somewhere else. On the other hand, are any employees of a pro-life organization actually going to use these services anyway, so should the pro-life organization even care?

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by roni

I am pulling my donations to Komen

I doubt if they will notice, but that's ok..I will gladly make up the difference . They do great work. I have many friends and family that have had breast cancer and I am willing to bet that they would think you are being petty about it.

[Sue]

I am f***king speechless.

"God," indeed.

[Sue]

Originally Posted by Mercy

Glad Komen Org. did the right thing.

This post makes me so incredibly angry.

[TAPPY]

Originally Posted by roni

I am pulling my donations to Komen

Many people here may find this surprising..
I do not support Komen anymore for many other reasons, has nothing to do with the ones discussed here. This is very personal to me as many people know.

I never knew this before but there are many breast cancer patients and "survivors" who have a very hard time with Komen and the organization it has become.

Just check out any breast cancer forum and you will understand the reasons. I am not saying it is a not a good organization nor do I feel the need to bad mouth it on a travel forum.

But there are issues with that organization. It guess it depends on how you feel the money should be spent.
Please do the research before you give your money to any organization so you can see what it truly stands for and what the dollars are spent on.