Catholic Church In Uproar Over Health Care Law

[horizon200]

Discuss....

[gingele]

This isn't really anything new, you know.

The requirement is simply that health insurance plans offered by employers must include coverage for the cost of contraceptives or other preventative health care for employees on the plan. The law requires the insurance company to cover the cost. A significant number of States already have such laws in place.

It's not as if the government is forcing the Catholic Church to dispense birth control pills, nor is it forcing Catholics (or anyone) to use birth control.

[horizon200]

As I understand it though they are particularly carrying on about the Jan 20th ruling. The church is raising quite a ruckus about it.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Washington-Watch/Reform/30926

Even the Pope got in on the discussion...though a bit veiled.

Pope sees religious freedom eroding in US : News Headlines - Catholic Culture

Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand they are taking federal funds so should abide by federal laws. But, how much should the government be able to force a religion to go against their beliefs?

It is a conundrum for me...I am against Sharia Law and honor killings yet defend Islam and muslim's right to pursue their religion.
I am against abortion out right except for medical necessity...so I see the Catholic's position.

BTW, my Catholicism is in remission so it's not that I am arguing from a staunch Catholic standpoint. I just find it an interesting discussion.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by horizon200

As I understand it though they are particularly carrying on about the Jan 20th ruling. The church is raising quite a ruckus about it.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Washington-Watch/Reform/30926

Even the Pope got in on the discussion...though a bit veiled.

Pope sees religious freedom eroding in US : News Headlines - Catholic Culture

Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand they are taking federal funds so should abide by federal laws. But, how much should the government be able to force a religion to go against their beliefs?

It is a conundrum for me...I am against Sharia Law and honor killings yet defend Islam and muslim's right to pursue their religion.
I am against abortion out right except for medical necessity...so I see the Catholic's position.

BTW, my Catholicism is in remission so it's not that I am arguing from a staunch Catholic standpoint. I just find it an interesting discussion.

The government isn't forcing the church. The government is forcing the insurance companies to cover the costs of preventative health care to all employees of Catholic hospitals and universities, and not to discriminate based on gender.

That being said, I can't access the article from your first link, I'm getting a search result instead - can you repost?

[melliedee]

Most American Catholics ignore the Vatican's ban on barrier birth control methods, recognizing it belongs in another century and is probably the worst of the church's anti-women, not to mention extra biblical, decrees.

If you don't "believe" in birth control, don't use it.

[gingele]

Well here you go. A nice "quid pro quo" that scores one for the Catholic Church and the tea baggers hell-bent on interfering with women's reproductive health!

Susan G. Komen for the Cure is the country’s best-known and best-funded breast cancer organization. Known for it’s iconic pink ribbon and annual Race for the Cure event, the organization has invested nearly $2 billion in cancer education and research since its founding in 1982.

But today, bowing to political pressure, Komen for the Cure announced that it is severing its partnership with Planned Parenthood and will stop providing hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants that allow their centers to perform breast exams on women who could not otherwise get them.

Komen for the Cure, indeed.

Link: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/01/31/415821/nations-largest-cancer-charity-caves-to-right-wing-pressure-ends-relationship-with-planned-parenthood/?mobile=nc

[Rissask]

In Canada, with universal healthcare, abortions are performed, I do believe free of charge, in our hospitals.

But we have regular/secular hospitals and Catholic-run hospitals. The Catholic ones are not where the abortions are scheduled -obviously.

I am sure it would work itself out.

It is really only a problem here when a small-town hospital is a Catholic-run one, and someone has to go to a different one to get a procedure done. I recall a woman making a complaint because the hospital where she had her baby refused to tie her tubes at her request after the delivery. There was a big controversy.

Doctor protests after Catholic hospital bans sterilization procedure - Saskatchewan - CBC News

That was in 2006- I do believe it was later ruled that Catholic hospitals do NOT get to pick and choose what procedures they will perform since they operate on federal funds. (But abortions usually are just scheduled at non Catholic hospitals- for obvious reasons-to avoid the whole thing.)

[gingele]

Originally Posted by Rissask

In Canada, with universal healthcare, abortions are performed, I do believe free of charge, in our hospitals.

But we have regular/secular hospitals and Catholic-run hospitals. The Catholic ones are not where the abortions are scheduled -obviously.

I am sure it would work itself out.

It is really only a problem here when a small-town hospital is a Catholic-run one, and someone has to go to a different one to get a procedure done. I recall a woman making a complaint because the hospital where she had her baby refused to tie her tubes at her request after the delivery. There was a big controversy.

Doctor protests after Catholic hospital bans sterilization procedure - Saskatchewan - CBC News

That was in 2006- I do believe it was later ruled that Catholic hospitals do NOT get to pick and choose what procedures they will perform since they operate on federal funds. (But abortions usually are just scheduled at non Catholic hospitals- for obvious reasons-to avoid the whole thing.)

The issue Mike's raised isn't whether Catholic hospitals will be forced to provide birth control or even perform abortions on patients (currently they are not obligated to do so).

The issue is whether the Catholic hospital can tell the private health insurance company that it contracts with (like Aetna or United Health Care, etc), that it cannot provide health insurance coverage to its female hospital employees for birth control.

The government is saying "no" - that the Catholic Church cannot direct a private health insurance company to deny coverage to its female hospital employees.

[Rissask]

oh.


well, nevermind then.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by Rissask

oh.


well, nevermind then.

I think it was important to point out the distinction, because the wing nuts would lick their chops over the notion of Obama telling Catholic hospitals that they had to perform abortions. Oh, lordy.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by gingele

I think it was important to point out the distinction, because the wing nuts would lick their chops over the notion of Obama telling Catholic hospitals that they had to perform abortions. Oh, lordy.

true dat!

[spaz!]

Originally Posted by Rissask

In Canada, with universal healthcare, abortions are performed, I do believe free of charge, in our hospitals.

But we have regular/secular hospitals and Catholic-run hospitals. The Catholic ones are not where the abortions are scheduled -obviously.

I am sure it would work itself out.

It is really only a problem here when a small-town hospital is a Catholic-run one, and someone has to go to a different one to get a procedure done. I recall a woman making a complaint because the hospital where she had her baby refused to tie her tubes at her request after the delivery. There was a big controversy.

Doctor protests after Catholic hospital bans sterilization procedure - Saskatchewan - CBC News

That was in 2006- I do believe it was later ruled that Catholic hospitals do NOT get to pick and choose what procedures they will perform since they operate on federal funds. (But abortions usually are just scheduled at non Catholic hospitals- for obvious reasons-to avoid the whole thing.)

I think it's great you can kill your child for free in canada.If only America could kill thier kids for freeWhat a wonderful world this would be.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by gingele

I think it was important to point out the distinction, because the wing nuts would lick their chops over the notion of Obama telling Catholic hospitals that they had to perform abortions. Oh, lordy.

Originally Posted by Rissask

true dat!

Exhibit A:

Originally Posted by spaz!

I think it's great you can kill your child for free in canada.If only America could kill thier kids for freeWhat a wonderful world this would be.

Man that didn't take long. Do you guys sniff this stuff out,or is there like a bat phone or something?

[Sue]

Originally Posted by gingele

Exhibit A:



Man that didn't take long. Do you guys sniff this stuff out,or is there like a bat phone or something?

I somehow had "liked" the Komen page on Facebook a long time ago. I always kind of wanted to "unlike" it but I have weird cancer superstitions because of, well...you know. Anyway, your post about them gave me the courage to go on over and hit that unlike button.

[spaz!]

[quote=gingele;1861531]Exhibit A:



Man that didn't take long. Do you guys sniff this stuff out,or is there like a bat phone or something?[/quote]
Some people have a problem with raping kids(includuding me)And some people have a problem with killing kids(including me).
I would bet your'e not for killing kids