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Old 02-15-2012   #46 (permalink)
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The van (with Pennsylvania plates) arrived at the airport without a permit sticker.
The van is now impounded.
14,000 peso fine and that does not get the van back.
I'm thinking that "safe passage" can be applied for and the van could be taken back to the US within five days.
That ain't gonna happen.
Was this your van or a friend's van?
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The van (with Pennsylvania plates) arrived at the airport without a permit sticker.
The van is now impounded.
14,000 peso fine and that does not get the van back.
I'm thinking that "safe passage" can be applied for and the van could be taken back to the US within five days.
That ain't gonna happen.
The airport is Federal property and the import sticker exemption does not apply.
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The airport is Federal property and the import sticker exemption does not apply.
Okay so you are saying that there is a sticker exemption in the state of Quintana Roo?? Just not on Federal Property within the state?

Now I'm getting really confused!!!
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Okay so you are saying that there is a sticker exemption in the state of Quintana Roo?? Just not on Federal Property within the state?

Now I'm getting really confused!!!
I have one opinion, Rick has another. I have not consulted a lawyer. I have just talked to the sticker people and read what is on the consulate web site and asked the Hacienda people. The exemption they have told me about does not apply to Federal property within the state, the airport is one example of Federal property. All of the information given to me could be incorrect. What is on the Mexican consulate website could also be incorrect.

The last time I talked to the police about this they asked for an import permit. I told them I don't have one because it is not required in Q Roo. I have a California drivers license and the title to my vehicle. Their response, "oh ok". I still drive my car, it did not get towed.

I did send to the US consulate lady, who I have met, a link to the Mexican consulate page, and asked her why they have incorrect information on there. I did not get a reply.

I was visiting with a friend this afternoon. He has a US plated car, I brought up the subject of the import permit. His response "Did you know you don't need one this state?" Again, and this is important, I have not consulted a lawyer, all I am saying is what these people say. Just as customs gave you the wrong info. The Mexican consulate, the Hacienda and the permit people may all have this backwards. Along with the police (a common source for miss information).

If Rick and the US consulate lady get hired to check import permits, I know my car will be the very first one to get towed. Until that day I'll take my chances. I get permits to go out of state and turn them in when I get back. Again; the big question, if you need a permit, why do the permit people allow you to turn them in and drive off into Quintana Roo? Surely they could just accept the permit and then tow your car at that point. They never do that, they refund the deposit, take the sticker back and you are free to go. Again, if your car gets impounded then you will know Rick is right, these people are wrong. I am serious, it could happen. And so don't do anything that you cannot take 100% responsibility for.

My goal is not to convince you I am right and Rick is wrong. This is more of a trial balloon to see if someone can show me why there is so much incorrect information being given out by the authorities here in Mexico and can provide a solid source of the contradictory information.

As you can see I've been making posts like this for about 6 years or so.......That is how long I've been driving a foreign plated vehicle without a permit.
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Okay so you are saying that there is a sticker exemption in the state of Quintana Roo?? Just not on Federal Property within the state?

Now I'm getting really confused!!!

there is no exemption, full stop
there is confusion

do not take a chance with this, any federale at any time can confiscate your car if you do not have a valid sticker

opinions are like,,,,, never mind, you know the rest
opinions will not get your car back for you if it is impounded
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there is no exemption, full stop
there is confusion

do not take a chance with this, any federale at any time can confiscate your car if you do not have a valid sticker

opinions are like,,,,, never mind, you know the rest
opinions will not get your car back for you if it is impounded
Yes all good advice. The mystery to me is why the only information I can find on a Mexican government website contradicts this. Well that along with the actual practice; and the information I get when I ask.

Why can you turn in your permit and drive away if a permit is required???
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The airport is Federal property and the import sticker exemption does not apply.
There is no import sticker exemption here. None. Nada. We were all fooled!!
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Why can you turn in your permit and drive away if a permit is required???
Because they are/were wrong at the border.
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Because they are/were wrong at the border.
and at the Consulate, and on their web site, and at the Hacienda, and at the police, and at the border customs, but the people that have it right are the American Consulate. Thankfully we have the consulate when the country they are in does not know their own laws and posts the wrong information on their own web sites. Now will the American Consulate actually put their opinion on their website in direct contraction to the Mexican Government. I guess that is up to Hillary.
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When we've gotten pulled over by the Feds they pay very close attention to our sticker and papers and sometimes even checking the VIN number. We keep copies of our passports and FM3's in the car and when the Feds pull me over they get my current license.
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When we've gotten pulled over by the Feds they pay very close attention to our sticker and papers and sometimes even checking the VIN number. We keep copies of our passports and FM3's in the car and when the Feds pull me over they get my current license.
Out of curiosity, was your credit card actually charged when you obtained your import sticker?
Seems it was relatively close to the time they started implementing that change that we crossed the border.
Hopefully, the sticker is still gripping the windshield.

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Out of curiosity, was your credit card actually charged when you obtained your import sticker?
Seems it was relatively close to the time they started implementing that change that we crossed the border.
Hopefully, the sticker is still gripping the windshield.

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I'm not sure about the charge I'll have to ask Jan but the sticker is still sticking! The Beast is fixed again let's hope it lasts longer this time.
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there is no exemption, full stop
there is confusion

do not take a chance with this, any federale at any time can confiscate your car if you do not have a valid sticker

opinions are like,,,,, never mind, you know the rest
opinions will not get your car back for you if it is impounded
That is 100% correct: NO EXEMPTION.......TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.
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That is 100% correct: NO EXEMPTION.......TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.
This is the opinion of the Consulado General de Mexico
Or at least what they have on their website.

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Foreigners traveling to Mexico by car beyond the border strip must pass through immigration and customs, they must obtain a tourist card or show their FM-3, according to the purpose of their trip, as well as obtain a temporary import permit for their car. These documents are issued at the port of entry.

The border strip extends for 21 kilometers south of the US-Mexico border; it includes the States of Baja California and Quintana Roo and certain designated areas in the State of Sonora.
I should not have got drawn into this again. I apologize for that blunder. However, the Import Permit people and the Hacienda people all recite the same thing as the Consulate of Mexico.

Having a car here for more than six years and getting import permits to leave the border area (into Yucatan) we have covered this many many times. However I should have known better, as in recent years this "you need an import permit" thing has become a religion here on this forum.

Other websites have more detail covering this (incorrect) information provided by the government of Mexico and its officials. I've only been asked for the import permit one time when I did not have one (i.e. in Quintana Roo) and after I explained it was not needed that was the end of that part of the discussion. I showed my drivers license and the title to the vehicle and I was on my way. Is that going to happen to you? maybe? maybe not?

I am not a lawyer and have not consulted one on this matter, I've just done some reading and over the years checked on that information. It works for me in my circumstance.

Car owners should do their own research and if you get told what we have been told (repeatedly) you probably should not post here on that subject.... and I'm not going to get drawn back in, it was a mistake. I apologize.
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Like my MX friend that has lived in Playa for 30 years (before that Merida) says: "Everything is legal in Mexico until you get caught!"
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