The Trayvon Martin Case

[STOGEY]

Originally Posted by Uno

If it wasn't for the 911 call, where Zimmerman said he was going to pursue, that might make sense. The tone of his voice was more of a "security officer" than a concerned citizen.

I don't think it was:

"Hi son, hate to bother you. Lovely evening. I'm with the neighborhood watch and would politely request why you're here. Oh okay. Thank you so much for the info. Have a wonderful night. HEY why are you attacking me!? " Bang Bang.

That seems to be the picture Zimmerman is trying to paint.

It's the cops thee professionals that screwed up. Had they done even basic forensics. They could have probably solved thee case almost right the. But as usual they were lazy or paid off by someone. So it's govt that we should be pissed off at.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by melliedee

They always interview the teachers...



Trayvon Martin Shooting: Tensions rise in wake of Trayvon Martin shooting - Orlando Sentinel

"majored in cheerfulness"?

[Dan-0]

Originally Posted by gingele

Actually, the photos that the media selected to portray the two individuals involved mean very little to me, personally. I'd be happy if the story was run from day one with no photos at all - but the media needs pictures to draw the reader.

I think that at this point in the game, an unnecessary amount of emphasis is being placed on what photos the media used. Maybe it is an example of media manipulation of the general public, something that would make interesting fodder in a journalism class. But from my perspective, it's just not that big in the context of the legal case itself - I simply fail to see the relevance.

I agree with you, but you're much more objective than the general public. I don't doubt that the photos the media used were the only ones available at that point. But, the point I was trying to make was that when current photos of Martin came out it made his parent's (and the media's) use of the older photos appear a little deceptive. But, I can't argue with success, and their efforts were successful and I don't blame them one bit for trying to get this case reopened.

Originally Posted by melliedee

No idea on this one. His lawyer may have spoken out of term, or has a reason not to use that defense.

The cell phone records of the girlfriend are still an unknown. I have not read that she's given any official testimony, only that records show that her call ended minutes before police arrived so she may be the best "ear" witness to the lead up to the confrontation. So far, I've not read of any eye witnesses to the beginning of the confrontation.

I think there are still a lot of unknowns in this case that have been put under wraps by the police and the prosecutor. I think his lawyer is afraid the Stand Your Ground defense would fall through if this case comes to trial. The girlfriend's cell phone records are one piece of evidence, this could be another:

As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman 911 call analysis: Two forensic experts say it's not George Zimmerman crying out for help - Orlando Sentinel

[Uno]

Originally Posted by STOGEY

It's the cops thee professionals that screwed up. Had they done even basic forensics. They could have probably solved thee case almost right the. But as usual they were lazy or paid off by someone. So it's govt that we should be pissed off at.

I'll agree that the police blew the investigation. Zimmerman will not be charged as a result. The feds are only involved because of public outcry. It's OJ and Rodney King all over again. No winners in this one. Just ugly opinions either way.

I'm standing by my original thoughts though. The boy was murdered. Pot smoking, jewelry thief thug, or sweet young candy totting boy. He was killed as a result of the initial approach by Zimmerman who was told not to engage by the police in the first place.

[Skiptown]

Absolutely comes down to "right to defend law" and wether you have the right to defend yourself against an aggresor. This case comes down to who is the percieved aggresor. Our society needs to address what is right when using deadly force. Many have guns and it is a fine line when to use and not to use. It can literally be a split second decision. Glad I have never had to make that choice. Could you? Where is the line, your family, your stuff, inside your house? Until you are faced with a situation like this you may not know what you will do.
I am licsensed to carry and stilll it is a choice you have to make in a split second, hope I never have to or if I do that I make the correct decision, as it could mean my life.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by NiceTom

I read a lot of people making an issue about the photos in the media, but isn't just possible that there isn't a conspiracy. I'd think that a reporter asked the family for a photo of Trayvon, and they provided one. It's not likely that the media had much of a selection of photos to choose from,at time-these other photos have only been coming out in the last few weeks.

Seriously? They only had a picture to release to the public of him at 12? Not 17? Sure seems to be several pictures of him much older out there now. Why release one to the press of him at 12? Everyone knows that answer.

[roni]

He got murdered

That is the answer

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by roni

He got murdered

That is the answer

Had no idea you were there and witnessed it. Are you the eye witness they are talking about?

[roni]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Had no idea you were there and witnessed it. Are you the eye witness they are talking about?

I am the voice

It will be ruled manslaughter at the least.

He was killed because he was a young black man, walking while black

You know it.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by roni

I am the voice

It will be ruled manslaughter at the least.

He was killed because he was a young black man, walking while black

You know it.

No I don't. You know Roni during the Ft Hood shootings when those of us that were saying that it was some Muslim terrorist killing these people in cold blood you said we were jumping to unfounded conclusions and should wait for all the information to come out and let the legal process take it's course. Why don't you practice what you preach?

[roni]

Originally Posted by Mikey

No I don't. You know Roni during the Ft Hood shootings

This is not Fort Hood, but I understand you wanting to change the topic.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by roni

This is not Fort Hood, but I understand you wanting to change the topic.

Whatever. I will wait as you suggested one time till all the facts are presented. But I believe if the reports are true by the eye witness Zimmerman walks and rightly so. Just because you are being followed in a neighborhood that had been broken into 11 times, by a neighborhood patrol, does not give you the right to attack him and pound his head in the ground.

[Savant]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Whatever. I will wait as you suggested one time till all the facts are presented. But I believe if the reports are true by the eye witness Zimmerman walks and rightly so. Just because you are being followed in a neighborhood that had been broken into 11 times, by a neighborhood patrol, does not give you the right to attack him and pound his head in the ground.

Just because you decide you don't like the look of someone, who is unarmed, for no apparent reason other than they are carrying some provisions, doesn't give you the right to chase and intimidate them when they are leaving the area, provoke an altercation and then use lethal force against them.

Roni is right.
It's a no brainer.

For those who don't agree, I guarantee if were a child of yours you wouldn't be defending his actions with the apologist rhetoric such as shown on this thread.

In addition, if the 'stand your ground' law can be used to defend a case like this then it is an ass of a law and should be repealed.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Whatever. I will wait as you suggested one time till all the facts are presented. But I believe if the reports are true by the eye witness Zimmerman walks and rightly so. Just because you are being followed in a neighborhood that had been broken into 11 times, by a neighborhood patrol, does not give you the right to attack him and pound his head in the ground.

I saw the video of him as he entered the police station that night......no blood anywhere on him from the purported broken nose....no scratches could be seen....?

"pound his head into the ground"? Seriously? Where is the evidence of that? It seems he was a liar at least, certainly worthy of being arrested and investigated.

If it was a white boy in the hoody who was killed, and a black person was the "neighborhood watch" vigilante who shot him, do you think the black person would not at least have been charged?

The fact that Zimmerman was not even arrested and charged, is the outrage. This should change.

[melliedee]

I'm sure at trial different experts will be called upon (these are not working for either side, but for a news outlet), so take it these findings with the proverbial grain:

As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help. But these experts say the evidence tells a different story.

Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.

After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams.

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman 911 call analysis: Two forensic experts say it's not George Zimmerman crying out for help - Orlando Sentinel

How reliable do you think this kind of testimony is in court? It seems like something out of a Law & Order episode.