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Old 06-28-2012   #16 (permalink)
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Yes, and thanks. But TIM - which is to say, I don't really trust that it has "no lead" (hence the post). I've put off buying one for years (just waiting for this thread), and finally "solved" the problem of having tooth-brushing-water ready at hand by switching from Crystal and ePure to a new water supplier who has garrafons (5-gallon jugs) with a handy plastic spigot on the side of the garrafon near the bottom - a company called "Dasha" - home delivery, text your order and address to 984-139-6236, delivery next day in a small clean truck, no honking at each house during the sacred hours of siesta, etc., - cost: $20 pesos for the water, $57 deposit for the garrafon (but they accept your "other brand" garrafons in trade, so no need to pay anither deposit), and $29 for each spigot, but you can continue to use the "old" spigot on each new garrafon - looks like they can last forever - the jug has a hole with plastic membrane, just insert the spigot (it's got a "sharp" beveled point, slips right in, but you need to be quick or wear your shower sandals - the learning curve is quick). The only problem is it takes up more room than you want it to, i.e., more than the nice-lookingTalavera crock, and it's quite a bit of water just to brush your teeth - and, of course, it looks like a big blue upright plastic garrafon instead of a nice Talavera crock. On the other hand, no need to refill it often, and it might be cheaper to just hire somebody to come over and paint a nice Talavera design on it, like the French Champagne bottle (Jouet? Jamias? Jamon" - nope, can't remember). I'd still like to get a lab analysis for lead content (if any), just to be sure, when I get tired of dodging the garrafon to brush my teeth.
Why not just brush your teeth with tap water? We have for five years without a hitch.
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This place charges very high prices, and I've had friends visit there only to turn away in disgust, not only because they wanted about $40 US for an ashtray, but because they had dogs lying out back on very, very short chains.
I never said a thing about their pricing - and yes I agree that their prices are high. But the still have the largest selection in this area.

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I never said a thing about their pricing - and yes I agree that their prices are high. But the still have the largest selection in this area.
Huge selection....the back of the store is loaded with pieces.
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I never said a thing about their pricing - and yes I agree that their prices are high. But the still have the largest selection in this area.
I have gotten a couple of items there that I couldn't find anywhere else...bathroom mirror, which did not have metal to rust on it, for one. And, a beautiful platter. I agree there prices are steep, but I was able to talk them down a bit on the mirror, and I think the platter had been mismarked, but they honored the price.
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I have gotten a couple of items there that I couldn't find anywhere else...bathroom mirror, which did not have metal to rust on it, for one. And, a beautiful platter. I agree there prices are steep, but I was able to talk them down a bit on the mirror, and I think the platter had been mismarked, but they honored the price.
I have to agree, they will come off a little in price. The selection there is simply amazing. Have you ever seen the area that all of the broken or busted up pieces are thrown into?
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Marginally off-topic, but...does anybody know about the lead content (or lack of lead content) of the white glaze used inside the "Talavera" water containers

I thought about scraping off some of the white glaze from the inside of one of the water dispensers and sending it to a lab to check the lead content, but that means buying one and then scraping off a portion of the glaze -
The lead test kits that are readily available here in the US do not require that you scrape away any glaze. You simply put some test solution on a swap and rub the glaze and look for a color change. Something that could even be done in the store without a problem.

And don't be so paranoid about our tap water.............
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Why not just brush your teeth with tap water? We have for five years without a hitch.
Tap water here is not fit to drink - why would you want to brush your teeth with it (or suggest that to somebody else)? Duh.

Playing Russian roulette with food and drink is not a good idea. Never had a problem with it? That's what everybody who plays Russian roulette says, and of course that's where the thrill lies (along with the implicit death wish), until the hammer hits that loaded chamber. Playing Russian roulette with food and drink is a little different from the standard game - you get a new gun each time, instead of using the same one over and over till you've run through all the chambers, so theoretically you can run up a large number of trials before you get a hit.

Although I'm not sure whether there's any thrill involved in using tap water to brush your teeth (if there is, I can't for the life of me think what it might be, other than just the thrill of getting away with it), and I assume there's no implicit death wish involved, since it sounds from your post like your whole family does it. Well, different strokes for different folks, which is what keeps the emergency room full.
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Tap water here is not fit to drink - why would you want to brush your teeth with it (or suggest that to somebody else)? Duh.

Playing Russian roulette with food and drink is not a good idea. Never had a problem with it? That's what everybody who plays Russian roulette says, and of course that's where the thrill lies (along with the implicit death wish), until the hammer hits that loaded chamber. Playing Russian roulette with food and drink is a little different from the standard game - you get a new gun each time, instead of using the same one over and over till you've run through all the chambers, so theoretically you can run up a large number of trials before you get a hit.

Although I'm not sure whether there's any thrill involved in using tap water to brush your teeth (if there is, I can't for the life of me think what it might be, other than just the thrill of getting away with it), and I assume there's no implicit death wish involved, since it sounds from your post like your whole family does it. Well, different strokes for different folks, which is what keeps the emergency room full.
I brush my teeth with tap water. I shower in tap water. I cook pasta and boil potatoes in tap water. For five years. Ain't no big thing.
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The lead test kits that are readily available here in the US do not require that you scrape away any glaze. You simply put some test solution on a swap and rub the glaze and look for a color change. Something that could even be done in the store without a problem.

And don't be so paranoid about our tap water.............
Thanks for the info. If you've got the name of the test, mfgr, cost, etc., I'll try to locate it here. Sounds like something Restoration Hardware would carry - and good for them. Sure beats shaving a pot.

RE: "...don't be so paranoid about our tap water", the water here just doesn't inspire the necessary level of confidence to warrant watering my innards with it - so I don't - and don't recommend it either. A healthy level of suspicion here equates more with basic knowledge of food safety and sanitation than with paranoia. The local "special water", however, is another topic entirely, and I note with some confidence that beer is 95% drinkable water. Cheers
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I brush my teeth with tap water. I shower in tap water. I cook pasta and boil potatoes in tap water. For five years. Ain't no big thing.
Five years seems a long time to boil pasta and cook potatoes - the water's not that bad - but different strokes, and so on. Everybody showers in tap water, so nothing new there, and holding that garrafon of RO clean water over your head is tiresome in the extreme (and it's hard to soap up with only one hand). But brushing your teeth with local tap water? Not a good idea, unless you still believe in the tooth fairy.
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Five years seems a long time to boil pasta and cook potatoes - the water's not that bad - but different strokes, and so on. Everybody showers in tap water, so nothing new there, and holding that garrafon of RO clean water over your head is tiresome in the extreme (and it's hard to soap up with only one hand). But brushing your teeth with local tap water? Not a good idea, unless you still believe in the tooth fairy.
Based on an earlier (6 months ago or so) thread about tap water, and other reading, I decided that on this last trip, brushing the teeth with tap water would be fine.

We had fewer GI difficulties than we'd ever had before. None of us even considered immodium.

We don't make such decisions cavalierly. We are a family of 4 divers traveling from Portland Oregon. Our trips are very dear to us, both figuratively and literally, and as divers, we can't address an urgent need at 85+/- feet under the surface.

Precautions/actions taken were:

1) Pepto Bismol tablet morning and night.
2) At our oldest sons insistence, washed lettuce in microdin.
3) Ate more yogurt than any previous trips, which was by accident, not design. (The LALA peach and strawberry is really outstanding stuff).

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Five years seems a long time to boil pasta and cook potatoes - the water's not that bad - but different strokes, and so on. Everybody showers in tap water, so nothing new there, and holding that garrafon of RO clean water over your head is tiresome in the extreme (and it's hard to soap up with only one hand). But brushing your teeth with local tap water? Not a good idea, unless you still believe in the tooth fairy.
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Showering with tap water, oh my, what if one little drop accidentally gets in ones mouth, could that be the Russian Roulette bullet your refer to? Me thinks we should all cover our mouths and noses with duct tape while showering as a safety precaution (Al's brother.........)

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Based on an earlier (6 months ago or so) thread about tap water, and other reading, I decided that on this last trip, brushing the teeth with tap water would be fine.

We had fewer GI difficulties than we'd ever had before. None of us even considered immodium.

We don't make such decisions cavalierly. We are a family of 4 divers traveling from Portland Oregon. Our trips are very dear to us, both figuratively and literally, and as divers, we can't address an urgent need at 85+/- feet under the surface.

Precautions/actions taken were:

1) Pepto Bismol tablet morning and night.
2) At our oldest sons insistence, washed lettuce in microdin.
3) Ate more yogurt than any previous trips, which was by accident, not design. (The LALA peach and strawberry is really outstanding stuff).
we are down on that, soil grown vegetables should be washed with microdin.
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Based on an earlier (6 months ago or so) thread about tap water, and other reading, I decided that on this last trip, brushing the teeth with tap water would be fine.

We had fewer GI difficulties than we'd ever had before. None of us even considered immodium.

We don't make such decisions cavalierly. We are a family of 4 divers traveling from Portland Oregon. Our trips are very dear to us, both figuratively and literally, and as divers, we can't address an urgent need at 85+/- feet under the surface.

Precautions/actions taken were:

1) Pepto Bismol tablet morning and night.
2) At our oldest sons insistence, washed lettuce in microdin.
3) Ate more yogurt than any previous trips, which was by accident, not design. (The LALA peach and strawberry is really outstanding stuff).
Thanks WR, your list of precautions/actions taken - and the "What do if I get it while I'm diving" is a good enough reason to take precautions - so it's always interesting, sometimes amusing, but never dull when experienced travelers bring up info for evaluation (and I like the LALA yogurts too, especially the ones you mentioned and mango - LALA seems to have the best flavors IMHO - but chacon a son gout, as they say somewhere in the food world). I've taken some of my comments from the following forum (among other sources) which seems to have some consistently good coverage of health issues:

Salmonella & Parasite Food Contamination in Mexico | Surviving Yucatan

I have a few comments re: your good list:

Imodium (loperidine) without an antibiotic is generally recommended only for mild travelers diarrhea, because the apparent function of diarrhea is to get rid of the offending bug (but it's obviously a trade-off - you don't want to risk severe dehydration either), so trapping it in the gut would be counter-productive if you don't have an antibiotic to keep it from rapidly multiplying.

Ditto Pepto-Bismol (bismuth subsalicylate).

Your son's suggestion to wash with Bac-Dyne/Macro-Dyne is perceptive, aware and attentive. These colloidal silver suspensions can reduce the bacterial count, but not eliminate it, and apparently don't affect the salmonella count much at all - so, much better than nothing, but not quite there yet.

So, although I vigorously disagree with the "abstinence-is-the-only-sure-way" crowd in the "population control" arena, the concept is right on the money in the food and drink context - if you don't eat it or drink it (or brush your teeth with it), your risk of getting it (whatever it is) goes way down. No rocket science there - just basic good sense about things we were all supposed to learn in 8th-grade science class (if you weren't too busy looking at June busting out all over - there was a lot of that going around then, as I recall - June was a lot more interesting than learning that acetic acid is the "scientific" name for vinegar). Where can we buy authentic Mexican pottery, by the way.
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Showering with tap water, oh my, what if one little drop accidentally gets in ones mouth, could that be the Russian Roulette bullet your refer to? Me thinks we should all cover our mouths and noses with duct tape while showering as a safety precaution (Al's brother.........)

Nope. What I'm referring to is brushing your teeth with local water. If you wouldn't drink it, why brush your teeth with it? Duh.

But that "little drop of water" is actually a wide-area aerosol. There were eight cases of Legionaire's Disease in the fancy Cancun Hotel Zone hotels recently (and more recently in Cozumel too) - transmission is through shower aerosols from old bacteria-breeding or water-retaining shower heads (canted at just the right angle, about 35 degrees or so, to trap those last drops in the bottom of the shower head) as well as the classic old-fashioned hotel rooftop wooden tower water coolers that I didn't even realize were still around, and haven't seen in years, but apparently they're still out there. So the drill is: "Don't sing in the shower" - get in, rinse off, turn off the water - suds up, rinse off, get out. (It's OK to close your eyes, but don't hold your breath.)
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Nope. What I'm referring to is brushing your teeth with local water. If you wouldn't drink it, why brush your teeth with it? Duh.
Uh, presumably because when you DRINK, you swallow/ingest, and when you BRUSH, you spit it out without ingesting but a teeny tiny amount??

....not really comparable snenarios...unless you swallow your toothpaste mouthfuls when brushing...in which case, like this dude, here:





and if you are truly that paranoid about that tiny amount of tap water...I am not sure how you ever walk down the street/get in a car/get in the ocean....etc.?
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