Chiropractors

[MaripositaII]

Went to my first ever Chiropractor yesterday

Maybe some are less sales pitch pushy about their supplements, maybe some really do help, but me thinks after two days of this special person, I will try physical therapy. Sports related injury

If you've been to one, going to one, do you really believe what they do is scientifically sound

[Uno]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

Went to my first ever Chiropractor yesterday

Maybe some are less sales pitch pushy about their supplements, maybe some really do help, but me thinks after two days of this special person, I will try physical therapy. Sports related injury

If you've been to one, going to one, do you really believe what they do is scientifically sound

Had some shoulder pain. Well alot of shoulder pain. Went to a chiropractor. He brought me some temporary relief for a couple days. I went back a few times. Each time the pain was worse went it returned.

Went to the doctor. I had a herniated disc in my neck pinching off a nerve. Had surgery and fixed it. The nerves in my shoulder didn't start working again and I couldn't use my arm.

I am currently doing PT twice a week. It's been 2 months since the operation and I am getting my arm back. (A little bit more each day.) I may never get it all back, but I'll keep at it.

I love my PT guy. Sometimes I HATE my PT guy. He works me and hurts me, but he is helping me.

I won't go back to a chiropractor simply because I don't want anyone twisting on my neck possibly reinjuring me. I think they may be fine for some, but I'll stick with PT.

[SharonD]

Absolutely! I messed up my shoulder in a fall two years ago. Long story but I went to an orthopedic surgeon that a good friend is the PA for. X-rays, MRI, joint injections...diagnosis was adhesive capsulitis, aka frozen shoulder. He told me, 4 times over several months that the only thing that would fix it was surgery. I could not put my hair in a pony tail, couldn't lift my right arm high enuf to brush my teeth (try doing that with your opposite hand tomorrow for some fun!) and could not sleep comfortably due to pain. I insisted on PT and went to my chiro two to three times a week. Lucky for me, the PT is a good friend and he and the chiro are friends, so they consulted and coordinated mobs and chiro/accupuncture. It took 4 monts but I have 100% range of motion and zero pain. No surgery. I would have had to do PT for at least 4 months if I had surgery! I know, for me, after PT I hurt and the next day I would see Dr White for chiro/accupuncture and the relief was noticeable. I also iced my shoulder every day for a minimum of two hours, every day. My friend, the PA, told a mutual friend I would never have good use of my arm and when it started getting better she said that I'd never be able to tuck my shirt in my pants behind my back...I can wrap my arm completely around my waist pain free....my friend is amazed. I know my chiro helped tremendously, this is not the only thing I've seen him for but is the most painful, longest rehab of the other minor problems I've had. I do think that accupuncture was instrumental in my success...just sayin....

[Uno]

Yeah that tucking my shirt in part is still hard, but I can finally brush my teeth and comb my hair right handed.

[MaripositaII]

He messed with my neck two days, and I've been getting headaches! I don't get headaches usually. My problem has nothing to do with the neck! He said to help my lower back he had to start on nexk. The web site showed all sorts of sport related therapy, acupuncture and therapeutic massage. Was one of those experiences that I never had and now that I've seen what a high pressure chiropractor is like, am going for PT instead.

Btw, lots of patients there told me they're seeing him 14-18 years. Made me wonder what the hell he's doing that they can't move on!

I guess it depends on the injury, and the chiropractor. This guy is a high pressure salesman.

[snappysammy]

good chiro is gold
when mine moved to hawaii and i had a problem i knew he could fix i was ready to book a flight to see him in hawaii

since then i have encountered "bowen therapy"

highly recommend, very non-invasive, very effective
try it, you will like it

[Uno]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

He messed with my neck two days, and I've been getting headaches! I don't get headaches usually. My problem has nothing to do with the neck! He said to help my lower back he had to start on nexk. The web site showed all sorts of sport related therapy, acupuncture and therapeutic massage. Was one of those experiences that I never had and now that I've seen what a high pressure chiropractor is like, am going for PT instead.

Btw, lots of patients there told me they're seeing him 14-18 years. Made me wonder what the hell he's doing that they can't move on!

I guess it depends on the injury, and the chiropractor. This guy is a high pressure salesman.

I didn't mind the chiro. He probably could have helped me if I wasn't already too far broke. There was no choice but the knife, in my case. I saw the mri and knew I was screwed. Now it's PT until I get my arm working right again.

[MaripositaII]

Originally Posted by Uno

I didn't mind the chiro. He probably could have helped me if I wasn't already too far broke. There was no choice but the knife, in my case. I saw the mri and knew I was screwed. Now it's PT until I get my arm working right again.

PT works. Chiro probably can depending on what type he/she practices. The reason I mentioned my neck is because I did not have a problem with it, but now I do! Plus a strange pressure headache that he claimed would go and was a
Good sign he did his job right. Oh well, lesson learned. Am sticking to PT though.

[Rissask]

I am sure there are 'good chiropractors' and bad ones. There are certainly a lot of quacks in the field, like those who claim it can 'cure' allergies and stuff, which is of course ridiculous and unproven. The reason apparently there are so many is the field is largely unregulated and a lot of shysters go into it to make a buck with outlandish claims. It is better regulated in some areas/states/provinces than others.

I do think that the field of 'chiropractic medicine' is a bit pseudo-sciencey and suspect. If you read the history of it, it's interesting.It is not based on sound science.

http://biblio.physiotek.com/sites/bi...aluation_0.pdf

and guess what? They are largely a North American thing. Hmmmm. Makes you wonder why.

[ryberg]

Sorry you had a bad experience, Mari. As SS said, good chiropractic is gold. I don't know that I've ever seen a bad chiropractor, but I've certainly seen some that are better than others. When they get too jargony, I turn off. When they talk about body mechanics in ways that make sense — and also talk getting you sort of "repaired" and back in action rather than how they need to see you 3 times a week for the next year — well that's when I know I'm with one of the better ones. But when done right, yes, chiropractic is gold.

All that said, I more often need good physical therapy-type massage (or more yoga classes!) than chiropractic adjustments. It can be tricky to properly identify what is wrong and what is needed most.

ETA: To his credit, my chiropractor agrees with that last assessment, in my case, and that I think is always another sign of a good chiropractor.

[MaripositaII]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Sorry you had a bad experience, Mari. As SS said, good chiropractic is gold. I don't know that I've ever seen a bad chiropractor, but I've certainly seen some that are better than others. When they get too jargony, I turn off. When they talk about body mechanics in ways that make sense — and also talk getting you sort of "repaired" and back in action rather than how they need to see you 3 times a week for the next year — well that's when I know I'm with one of the better ones. But when done right, yes, chiropractic is gold.

All that said, I more often need good physical therapy-type massage (or more yoga classes!) than chiropractic adjustments. It can be tricky to properly identify what is wrong and what is needed most.

ETA: To his credit, my chiropractor agrees with that last assessment, in my case, and that I think is always another sign of a good chiropractor.

This one totally lost me when he tried his heavy duty sales pitch for supplements, which by the way, comes from a particular place, and he's getting them discounted for me.

SYN-RGY ProArgi-9 + is one that he insisted I take home, which I didn't accept because I am not taking supplements unless I have deficiencies. I ended up listening out of amusement. I was told to bring all my supplements (most doctors ask now anyway), and once he had a look through, he told me that he only recommends the one company he deals with...yeah, right I buy a Vitamin D supplement from Whole Foods which is working for me, based on my latest blood work. Why in heaven's name would I switch to his inflated product?

I saw a woman having acupuncture at his office, but her foot is broken. Out of curiousity, I asked what the acupuncture was for. She told me she broke her foot, and she will do this "therapy" for several months in the "hope" the bone grows back and she can avoid surgery The following he has is almost like a "stepford wives" movie. Some have been going to him for 14+ years. And they're not better yet?

I will admit that this one is a quack, and perhaps there are some more modern chiropractors dealing with science as well, but I will not waste anymore time on that stuff. Going to my regular PT and doing whatever they recommend.

By the way, the other biggie was when he said all his supplements would alleviate my Celiac symtoms. Sure they will I don't get the "Kool aid" following at some of their practices, but to each his own.

[Luv2Dance]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

This one totally lost me when he tried his heavy duty sales pitch for supplements, which by the way, comes from a particular place, and he's getting them discounted for me.

SYN-RGY ProArgi-9 + is one that he insisted I take home, which I didn't accept because I am not taking supplements unless I have deficiencies. I ended up listening out of amusement. I was told to bring all my supplements (most doctors ask now anyway), and once he had a look through, he told me that he only recommends the one company he deals with...yeah, right I buy a Vitamin D supplement from Whole Foods which is working for me, based on my latest blood work. Why in heaven's name would I switch to his inflated product?

I saw a woman having acupuncture at his office, but her foot is broken. Out of curiousity, I asked what the acupuncture was for. She told me she broke her foot, and she will do this "therapy" for several months in the "hope" the bone grows back and she can avoid surgery The following he has is almost like a "stepford wives" movie. Some have been going to him for 14+ years. And they're not better yet?

I will admit that this one is a quack, and perhaps there are some more modern chiropractors dealing with science as well, but I will not waste anymore time on that stuff. Going to my regular PT and doing whatever they recommend.

By the way, the other biggie was when he said all his supplements would alleviate my Celiac symtoms. Sure they will I don't get the "Kool aid" following at some of their practices, but to each his own.

Sounds like my old hair people and pushing hair product. I dumped them.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

This one totally lost me when he tried his heavy duty sales pitch for supplements, which by the way, comes from a particular place, and he's getting them discounted for me.

SYN-RGY ProArgi-9 + is one that he insisted I take home, which I didn't accept because I am not taking supplements unless I have deficiencies. I ended up listening out of amusement. I was told to bring all my supplements (most doctors ask now anyway), and once he had a look through, he told me that he only recommends the one company he deals with...yeah, right I buy a Vitamin D supplement from Whole Foods which is working for me, based on my latest blood work. Why in heaven's name would I switch to his inflated product?

Yep, that sounds very red flag-ish.

I remember one who was kind of like that. Dumped her! I have only taken supplements recommended for me by a nutritionist I saw through my MD's office, after some tests and so forth and in conjunction with diet and exercise recs.

Originally Posted by MaripositaII

I saw a woman having acupuncture at his office, but her foot is broken. Out of curiousity, I asked what the acupuncture was for. She told me she broke her foot, and she will do this "therapy" for several months in the "hope" the bone grows back and she can avoid surgery The following he has is almost like a "stepford wives" movie. Some have been going to him for 14+ years. And they're not better yet?

I will admit that this one is a quack, and perhaps there are some more modern chiropractors dealing with science as well, but I will not waste anymore time on that stuff. Going to my regular PT and doing whatever they recommend.

By the way, the other biggie was when he said all his supplements would alleviate my Celiac symtoms. Sure they will I don't get the "Kool aid" following at some of their practices, but to each his own.

Yeah, just more red flags. Along with the stuff that sounds like they're selling you something, any comments about pseudo-magical healing I think are clear signs that it's time to look elsewhere.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Yep, that sounds very red flag-ish.

I remember one who was kind of like that. Dumped her! I have only taken supplements recommended for me by a nutritionist I saw through my MD's office, after some tests and so forth and in conjunction with diet and exercise recs.

Yeah, just more red flags. Along with the stuff that sounds like they're selling you something, any comments about pseudo-magical healing I think are clear signs that it's time to look elsewhere.

So you aren't concerned at all that the entire field is considered to be pretty much pseudoscience at worst, alternative medicine at best, by the majority of the medical field and scientific field?

Chiropractic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Or is it a 'I believe it works for me, therefore it's real' sort of thing?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Rissask

So you aren't concerned at all that the entire field is considered to be pretty much pseudoscience at worst, alternative medicine at best, by the majority of the medical field and scientific field?

Chiropractic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Or is it a 'I believe it works for me, therefore it's real' sort of thing?

I disagree with your characterization of the field there. It may be that, as for example with some aspects regarding religion, you are assuming more comprehensive or literal belief and acceptance of any/all aspects sometimes associated with the view in question than I am. What I think of when someone refers to chiropractic care does not at all conform to your description there.

It makes absolute sense to me on an intuitive and rational level that bones and muscles are connected and that they can each get moved out of place over time or due to various activities and in ways that make one less comfortable. My experience with massage, physical therapy, exercise, yoga, chiropractic and other such activities or treatments has only borne that out, and borne out the value of each in restoring or correcting that kind of situation.

YMMV.