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Old 09-12-2012   #1 (permalink)
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Why Men Fail

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Why Men Fail: David Brooks

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You’re probably aware of the basic trends. The financial rewards to education have increased over the past few decades, but men failed to get the memo.

In elementary and high school, male academic performance is lagging. Boys earn three-quarters of the D’s and F’s. By college, men are clearly behind. Only 40 percent of bachelor’s degrees go to men, along with 40 percent of master’s degrees.
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But, in her fascinating new book, “The End of Men,” Hanna Rosin posits a different theory. It has to do with adaptability. Women, Rosin argues, are like immigrants who have moved to a new country. They see a new social context, and they flexibly adapt to new circumstances. Men are like immigrants who have physically moved to a new country but who have kept their minds in the old one. They speak the old language. They follow the old mores. Men are more likely to be rigid; women are more fluid.
More at that link, and at these

The End of Men: And the Rise of Women

The End of Men Is Here? 14 Signs And Consequences Of Male Decline, According To Hanna Rosin

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This topic is one that I take close to heart. I participated in, and eventually became a leader for Men's retreats during college and "the role of man" and "modern masculinity" were common topics.

There is A LOT of literature out there with many, many theories as to the shift in demographics that you pointed out in your original post, and all bear about the same amount weight when it comes to which to believe.

I need to read more of the links that you posted before I comment further.
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I don't necessarily agree that men are more rigid and resist change more than women. I do think mens' egos (or fear of failure) keep them in their comfort zone more.

I can only speak for myself but I was perfectly happy in my old shack of a house until my new bride started (forcing) me to be more motivated. I am pretty content with nothing but I like to make her happy so I put forth a little more effort for her.

That said, I won't "yes dear" myself to death either. I have the general attitude that I'm okay. I could be better, but I could be worse. Take it or leave it.

Failing just means you must approach it from a different angle and try it again, or lower your expectations. It also depends on who's setting those goals.
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I don't see it as a 'men are failing and women are rising' thing.

Women definitely are stronger than ever before () but men don't have to stop being men because of that situation. It really should just make them stronger than ever before, too.

The ones who can't hack the current social state and having to deal with being surrounded by more strong-willed, self assured women must just be weak or insecure, methinks.

Of course, I am one who loves men and the natural differences between the genders and see no reason to make women more like men or men more like women (as in: more emotional, more 'in touch with their feelings', more sensitive). I don't think our base natures should change, or need to change.

I do think it must be hard for many men if they cannot assert themselves in the face of a strong partner, in that they must feel emasculated. I see some of those unions and it makes me cringe.
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Not sure if this topic will attract much interest or discussion, but it is an interesting topic and there are some intriguing statistic introduced

Why Men Fail: David Brooks



More at that link, and at these

The End of Men: And the Rise of Women

The End of Men Is Here? 14 Signs And Consequences Of Male Decline, According To Hanna Rosin

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What if the modern, postindustrial economy is simply more congenial to women than to men? For a long time, evolutionary psychologists have claimed that we are all imprinted with adaptive imperatives from a distant past: men are faster and stronger and hardwired to fight for scarce resources, and that shows up now as a drive to win on Wall Street; women are programmed to find good providers and to care for their offspring, and that is manifested in more- nurturing and more-flexible behavior, ordaining them to domesticity. This kind of thinking frames our sense of the natural order. But what if men and women were fulfilling not biological imperatives but social roles, based on what was more efficient throughout a long era of human history? What if that era has now come to an end? More to the point, what if the economics of the new era are better suited to women?
I don't know the answers to these questions. I think that gender roles evolve as culture does, but there is the ever present impact of biology to consider as well.

Do men feel bad about the possibility of changes in a shift to power? Maybe they do. If so, why?
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I don't know the answers to these questions. I think that gender roles evolve as culture does, but there is the ever present impact of biology to consider as well.

Do men feel bad about the possibility of changes in a shift to power? Maybe they do. If so, why?
I do not. I welcome it, but then I am kind of effeminate

I am not sure why, but I think that some men link it to their masculinity.
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Four older sisters and me the only boy. Survival depended on me understanding women.
I am still here so I think I sorta do.
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I just think men are more content to just be happy. They don't want to mess up a good thing.
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I think it's all those video games, computers and cell phones. Does anybody else remember when men didn't like to talk on the phone? Now it's like some sort of status symbol..lame reasoning.
I do know that women are so much better at multi-tasking.
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I think it's all those video games, computers and cell phones. Does anybody else remember when men didn't like to talk on the phone? Now it's like some sort of status symbol..lame reasoning.
I do know that women are so much better at multi-tasking.
That is true. Men do one thing at a time.
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I think it's all those video games, computers and cell phones. Does anybody else remember when men didn't like to talk on the phone? Now it's like some sort of status symbol..lame reasoning.
I do know that women are so much better at multi-tasking.
I still hate talking on the phone. Typical conversation with a buddy, goes:

"Still going fishing tomorrow?"
"Yep. What time?"
"6:00 am?"
"Fine. Make coffee. See you in the morning. Bye."

I don't wanna know how the job is going and the kids' softball game went, and the sale at Macy's and the bitch neighbor... blah blah blah. We can talk about that in person. After a cup of coffee.

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My company has a huge majority of strong women in leadership management positions...I love working with them...they are smart, strong team players who most often keep their egos in control and yet know how to move the ball forward toward what they want to achieve....I like that they are taking control....

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3 strong willed daughters, wife in a power job that pays double my wage, my company's owner is a woman, my direct supervisor is a girl I hired 17 years ago... My whole life is about working for women. I'm totally fine with that.
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My company has a huge majority of strong women in leadership management positions...I love working with them...they are smart, strong team players who most often keep their egos in control and yet know how to move the ball forward toward what they want to achieve....I like it they are taking control....
you don't own your company????? you always refer to it as your business.
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