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Old 11-16-2012   #61 (permalink)
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We were just in Playa last week at El Faro condos and never noticed any smell there at all. There was short section of the beach a couple blocks north that definitely smelled, but since it was where a number of small boats were anchored, I thought it might have been from fish being cleaned on the beach. Somehow that or seaweed wouldn't be as bad as some of the other possibilities !
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Keep in mind, water/sewer only runs down hill. Being in the pump business, I deal with this type of situation every day and usually it is a lift station going septic, which causes the smell.

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We have smelled (smelt?!) it on the beach at the Royal, it is a strong sewage smell, no doubt. The first 4 or 5 we didn't notice it. Two years ago it was so horrible that we couldn't stay on the beach and could smell it if we opened our room balcony doors. It was there last year but i guess we have gotten used to it?! This past Aug/early Sept it was there but more tolerable. Alexis, the beach butler (not there this year) must have been asked a lot about it, he talked about how it was illegal to pump "black water" into the ocean with lots of people, including us. Might be illegal but black water is going somewhere...or not going. I don't know what it is or where it comes from but if it smells like shit, it must be shit. It was our only complaint (and it is really hard to complain about that resort) until the Real membership issue of this year.
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@beam-eye ... Objection Your Honour! You put words in my mouth I did not say
" recommendation to return to our disease-ridden past in hopes of boosting our resistance to diseas"

It maybe an observation, and not fact, thatexaggerated hygienecontributes to growing instances of asthma, skin irritation, allergic reactions to the tamest nutritional items such as peanuts, but fact is that bacteria outnumber our own cells to the tune of 10:1...so considering the number of cells in our bodies does a few million extra do any harm to us??? ;-)

{... with these Funthomas is running for cover and peeking from behind the couch in anticipaishun of the salvo of e-coli dipped arrows from beam-eye ...}
I enjoyed your comments, and RE: "putting words in your mouth", I plead guilty (my apologies) - that's the impression I got from your comments. But not to worry, I don't have any E.coli-tipped arrows, so no need to run and hide.

Here's how "exaggerated hygiene contributes to growing instances of asthma, skin irritation, allergic reactions to the tamest nutritional items such as peanuts": People living in developed countries where good hygiene and sanitation are the subject of adequate governmental concern and attention ("exaggerated hygiene") live longer and healthier lives than people in undeveloped countries who don't benefit from that concern and attention and simply die earlier from various and sundry environmental insults (disease, malnutrition, industrial poisoning, etc.).

When people who would otherwise have died from preventable environmental insults are kept alive through "exaggerated hygiene", they still remain susceptible to whatever problem they would otherwise have already have died from ("asthma, skin irritation, allergic reactions...", and other environmental insults), which makes the allergy-prone population higher than it would have been if they had died. This in turn not only validates "exaggerated hygiene", but now makes it indispensible in order to keep alive those who would have died without it in the first place (and who will die if/when deprived of it). So, an ever-increasing dependency on "exaggerated hygiene" is the price a population pays for longer and healthier lives.

Is "exaggerated hygiene" a defeat for natural selection? Maybe, but generally in a very limited and temporary way (except for vaccinations, which can sometimes convey permanent protection against specific insults - unless, of course, you happen to be "allergic" to the vaccination itself through the intricacies of natural selection - everybody is allergic to something, often several somethings, so it's an imperfect world, some would say an "unfair" world, but "fair" has nothing to do with it).

Finally, RE: "...bacteria outnumber our own cells to the tune of 10:1...so considering the number of cells in our bodies does a few million extra do any harm to us???...", the answer is relatively simple - if the "extras" are secreting toxins harmful to humans, "a few million extra" can kill you dead - the trick is to avoid or eliminate the bad ones, hence good hygiene and sanitation practices (i.e., an ounce of prevention, and e.g., "exaggerated hygiene" - the price of freedom is eternal vigilence, and this applies as much to health as to global security - whatever that is).

The generation time for E. coli, for example, is about 20 minutes (1 makes 2 in 20 minutes, 2 make 4 in 40 minutes, 4 make 8 in 1 hour) - it doesn't take long to come up with a toxic dose - and it's clearly easier, smarter, and far more efficient to avoid the problem (contamination) than to try to eliminate it with antibiotics after the fact (antibiotics, by the way, merely kill the bug, not the toxin - the toxin is still there, killing you softly, so you need to act fast). Ultimately, the need to use antibiotics is merely the indicator of a failed preventative strategy - like the problem that is the topic of this thread. Salud!
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I enjoyed your comments, and RE: "putting words in your mouth", I plead guilty (my apologies) - that's the impression I got from your comments. But not to worry, I don't have any E.coli-tipped arrows, so no need to run and hide.

Here's how "exaggerated hygiene contributes to growing instances of asthma, skin irritation, allergic reactions to the tamest nutritional items such as peanuts": People living in developed countries where good hygiene and sanitation are the subject of adequate governmental concern and attention ("exaggerated hygiene") live longer and healthier lives than people in undeveloped countries who don't benefit from that concern and attention and simply die earlier from various and sundry environmental insults (disease, malnutrition, industrial poisoning, etc.).

When people who would otherwise have died from preventable environmental insults are kept alive through "exaggerated hygiene", they still remain susceptible to whatever problem they would otherwise have already have died from ("asthma, skin irritation, allergic reactions...", and other environmental insults), which makes the allergy-prone population higher than it would have been if they had died. This in turn not only validates "exaggerated hygiene", but now makes it indispensible in order to keep alive those who would have died without it in the first place (and who will die if/when deprived of it). So, an ever-increasing dependency on "exaggerated hygiene" is the price a population pays for longer and healthier lives.

Is "exaggerated hygiene" a defeat for natural selection? Maybe, but generally in a very limited and temporary way (except for vaccinations, which can sometimes convey permanent protection against specific insults - unless, of course, you happen to be "allergic" to the vaccination itself through the intricacies of natural selection - everybody is allergic to something, often several somethings, so it's an imperfect world, some would say an "unfair" world, but "fair" has nothing to do with it).

Finally, RE: "...bacteria outnumber our own cells to the tune of 10:1...so considering the number of cells in our bodies does a few million extra do any harm to us???...", the answer is relatively simple - if the "extras" are secreting toxins harmful to humans, "a few million extra" can kill you dead - the trick is to avoid or eliminate the bad ones, hence good hygiene and sanitation practices (i.e., an ounce of prevention, and e.g., "exaggerated hygiene" - the price of freedom is eternal vigilence, and this applies as much to health as to global security - whatever that is).

The generation time for E. coli, for example, is about 20 minutes (1 makes 2 in 20 minutes, 2 make 4 in 40 minutes, 4 make 8 in 1 hour) - it doesn't take long to come up with a toxic dose - and it's clearly easier, smarter, and far more efficient to avoid the problem (contamination) than to try to eliminate it with antibiotics after the fact (antibiotics, by the way, merely kill the bug, not the toxin - the toxin is still there, killing you softly, so you need to act fast). Ultimately, the need to use antibiotics is merely the indicator of a failed preventative strategy - like the problem that is the topic of this thread. Salud!
OMG! That is way over my head, but thanks...?! sort of
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OMG! That is way over my head, but thanks...?! sort of
Agree, just not in the water!
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Old 11-16-2012   #68 (permalink)
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Not so sure... I am in Playa every winter and have never noticed anything of the sort. I think that Chris from VT has got everyones shorts in a knot. Surely, you would think that if the odour was that noticeable, someone else would have said something about it...
Please everyone... take a deep breath and smell the ocean breeze !
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Rotting plant matter mixed with water smells really bad. Shit smelling bad. The higher the protein the worse the smell. I've been riding my bike through the water they've been pumping from the sewer work down the Elements condos at CTM....cold crystal clear water. I suspect it's underground water that they have to keep pumping to continue their work. And it does stink. But once I get to the public beach I don't smell it.
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Old 11-17-2012   #70 (permalink)
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We were on the beach yesterday by 15 st and it smelled really bad
Like sewage could after a few drinks it wasn't that bad
I just hope they don't pollute / contaminate that beautifull water that we come down to enjoy
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Not so sure... I am in Playa every winter and have never noticed anything of the sort. I think that Chris from VT has got everyones shorts in a knot. Surely, you would think that if the odour was that noticeable, someone else would have said something about it...
Please everyone... take a deep breath and smell the ocean breeze !
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When I was in Playa I was thinking the same thing. Why has no one said anything about the odor. I thought it might be "The King has no clothing" situation. But I put it out first to the locals to explain the stench, and yes from reading this thread plenty of people have,were, are experiencing the odor problem.
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Old 11-17-2012   #72 (permalink)
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When I was in Playa I was thinking the same thing. Why has no one said anything about the odor. I thought it might be "The King has no clothing" situation. But I put it out first to the locals to explain the stench, and yes from reading this thread plenty of people have,were, are experiencing the odor problem.
I remember a conversation about this a couple of years ago. More centered around the North end.
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We were on the beach yesterday by 15 st and it smelled really bad
Like sewage could after a few drinks it wasn't that bad
I just hope they don't pollute / contaminate that beautifull water that we come down to enjoy
There isn't a 15th street, do you perhaps mean Calle 14? There is a 15th avenida, but it runs parallel to the beach.
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We spent last Feb in the north end, there was a bad smell at the end of 44 st.
but it was ok at the beach. It seemed to be coming from an area where the cars were parked to go to the beach... no buildings nearby. It was a sulphur-rotten eggs smell.

The wind was usually coming off the water and the smell was not there, but when the wind came from behind us, we had to move.

We just walked a bit south and it was fine. Hope it's not the same smell that has somehow gotten worse.
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Someone needs to stick their nose in the sand where the seaweed is buried to see of it smells like shit! I nominate Steve to do the testing and Rick to document the experiment. Lol
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