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Old 01-03-2013   #1 (permalink)
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6 Harsh Truths

'6 Harsh Truths that Will Make You a Better Person'


I think this is bang on!

Good advice for any of us.

Or not?


(Sorry about the language. Consider that a warning. )
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'6 Harsh Truths that Will Make You a Better Person'


I think this is bang on!

Good advice for any of us.

Or not?


(Sorry about the language. Consider that a warning. )

Loved this article. Give me this over treacly, toothless "inspirational quotes" any day of the week.
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By the same author. Very thought-provoking. I suggest reading all 5.


5 Ways Modern Men Are Trained to Hate Women | Cracked.com
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By the same author. Very thought-provoking. I suggest reading all 5.


5 Ways Modern Men Are Trained to Hate Women | Cracked.com


Yup!! I can see these....




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When the Karate Kid wins the tournament, his prize is a trophy and Elisabeth Shue. Neo saves the world and is awarded Trinity. Marty McFly gets his dream girl, John McClane gets his ex-wife back, Keanu "Speed" Reeves gets Sandra Bullock, Shia LaBeouf gets Megan Fox in Transformers, Iron Man gets Pepper Potts, the hero in Avatar gets the hottest Na'vi, Shrek gets Fiona, Bill Murray gets Sigourney Weaver in Ghostbusters, Frodo gets Sam, WALL-E gets EVE ... and so on.


-- we're not mad that women enjoy sex. We're mad that women are distributing to other people the sex that they owed us.



and you KNOW I am going to agree with this...

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Maybe it's just a matter of having 10 times as much testosterone in their system, or maybe society has trained us to be like this, or maybe we're all spoiled children.

My theory is that evolution needs males who will stay horny even in times of crisis or distress, and thus cuts off the brain's ability to tamp down those urges. Whatever -- nailing down the cause isn't the point.

The point is that a man can be giving the eulogy at his own grandmother's funeral, and if there is a girl in the front row showing cleavage, he will be imagining himself pressing those boobs in his face, with his own dead grandmother not five feet away.



and this is VERY interesting, although I think his take is very much overblown, I think there IS a lot of truth here:


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So where you see a world in which males dominate the boards of the Fortune 500, and own Congress, and sit at the head of all but a handful of the world's nations, men see themselves as utterly helpless. Because all of those powerful people only became powerful because they heard that women like power.

This is really the heart of it, right here. This is why no amount of male domination will ever be enough, why no level of control or privilege or female submission will ever satisfy us. We can put you under a burqa, we can force you out of the workplace -- it won't matter. You're still all we think about, and that gives you power over us. And we resent you for it.
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'6 Harsh Truths that Will Make You a Better Person'


I think this is bang on!

Good advice for any of us.

Or not?


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That was the stupidest f*ing thing I've ever read. Wasted my whole f*ing whole break. Thanks a f*ing bunch!
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Yup!! I can see these....







and you KNOW I am going to agree with this...




and this is VERY interesting, although I think his take is very much overblown, I think there IS a lot of truth here:



I thought the parts about women in the public eye was really interesting. The comments about Sandra Fluke, as if anyone making them knew a thing about her personal life or sex life (or as if what she looks like/dresses like had anything to do with what she was saying in the first place.) How someone makes it all the way to the Supreme Court and is still judged firstly on her fitness as a sexual partner. Also the part about fat/funny sidekicks in movies. That is so true. They are there as the anti-girl. That is their role.
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I thought the parts about women in the public eye was really interesting. The comments about Sandra Fluke, as if anyone making them knew a thing about her personal life or sex life (or as if what she looks like/dresses like had anything to do with what she was saying in the first place.) How someone makes it all the way to the Supreme Court and is still judged firstly on her fitness as a sexual partner. Also the part about fat/funny sidekicks in movies. That is so true. They are there as the anti-girl. That is their role.

I just don't see anywhere near the majoprity of males treating or speaking of women in this way, in the real world, though.
That is why I think it's overblown and a bit much.

I mean, WHO makes these nasty comments about female politicians....how many men, and where are they saying it? We tend to notice the nasty comments, but to assume those idiots represent the majority of men? I don't think so.

SOME do think that way, and especially on forums and comments on stories on the web- but a lot of those posters write things they would never say in person, true...and there are a lot of people who say shit on the Net because they are bitter and bored and no one would EVER date them and maybe that is why they are sitting at home posting nasty comments about women instead?

He is tarring all men with the same brush, here, and I think it makes for a humourous read, with a lot of truths in there, but to conclude all men think this way, is IMO erroneous.

He says he writes for the twentysomething male- I do think a much higher percentage of men in THAT age group do think that way about women, though.

My nephew Andy is one.....he is 30 and single and basically does not even TRY anymore....if he ever does get his shi* together and manages to land a lady, he will hopefully change his tune....because it is ALL about him being single and lonely and angry about it- like the article says.

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I just don't see anywhere near the majoprity of males treating or speaking of women in this way, in the real world, though.
That is why I think it's overblown and a bit much.

I mean, WHO makes these nasty comments about female politicians....how many men, and where are they saying it? We tend to notice the nasty comments, but to assume those idiots represent the majority of men? I don't think so.

SOME do think that way, and especially on forums and comments on stories on the web- but a lot of those posters write things they would never say in person, true...and there are a lot of people who say shit on the Net because they are bitter and bored and no one would EVER date them and maybe that is why they are sitting at home posting nasty comments about women instead?

He is tarring all men with the same brush, here, and I think it makes for a humourous read, with a lot of truths in there, but to conclude all men think this way, is IMO erroneous.

He says he writes for the twentysomething male- I do think a much higher percentage of men in THAT age group do think that way about women, though.

My nephew Andy is one.....he is 30 and single and basically does not even TRY anymore....if he ever does get his shi* together and manages to land a lady, he will hopefully change his tune....because it is ALL about him being single and lonely and angry about it- like the article says.
With regard to politics, I definitely thought he meant harsh things posted online. I know that when the Sandra Fluke story broke on this forum, there were similar comments. I've read many about Hillary Clinton, too. I agree that the people making these kinds of comments, men and women, would rarely do so "in real life."

I also thought it was a bit much to lay the blame at the feet of popular culture, as if that is indistinguishable from reality. If men are conditioned to think that they get the pretty girl as a prize, then women are equally conditioned to think that ___________(insert any pop culture construction of masculinity here). And while our pop culture certainly reflects and helps to create our concepts of gender, I don't think we are powerless to buy into its whims as if there is no other alternative or way to think about the issue.
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By the same author. Very thought-provoking. I suggest reading all 5.


5 Ways Modern Men Are Trained to Hate Women | Cracked.com


And then there's this.....

The (all-male) Iowa Supreme Court rules that man can fire a female employee for no other reason than he finds her to be an "irresistible attraction."

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(CNN) -- Can a boss fire an employee he finds attractive because he and his wife, fairly or not, see her as a threat to their marriage?

Yes, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.

"The question we must answer is ... whether an employee who has not engaged in flirtatious conduct may be lawfully terminated simply because the boss views the employee as an irresistible attraction," Justice Edward M. Mansfield wrote for the all-male high court.

Such firings may not be fair, but they do not constitute unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act, the decision read, siding with a lower court.
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The case concerns her client's employment as a dental assistant. Nelson worked for James Knight in 1999 and stayed for more than 10 years at the Fort Dodge business.

Toward the end of her employment, Knight complained to Nelson her clothing was tight and "distracting," the decision read. She denied her clothes were inappropriate.

At one point, Knight told Nelson that "if she saw his pants bulging, she would know her clothing was too revealing," the decision read.
And she's the one who was fired. FFS.

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That was the stupidest f*ing thing I've ever read. Wasted my whole f*ing whole break. Thanks a f*ing bunch!
ROFLMAO!

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ROFLMAO!

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I didn't actually read past the first one.
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That one sounds like a legal technicality rather than what it looks like on the surface. Am I wrong?

"As we have indicated above, the issue before us is not whether a jury could find that Dr. Knight treated Nelson badly," read the high court's decision.

"We are asked to decide only if a genuine fact issue exists as to whether Dr. Knight engaged in unlawful gender discrimination when he fired Nelson at the request of his wife. For the reasons previously discussed, we believe this conduct did not amount to unlawful discrimination, and therefore we affirm the judgment of the district court."
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That one sounds like a legal technicality rather than what it looks like on the surface. Am I wrong?

"As we have indicated above, the issue before us is not whether a jury could find that Dr. Knight treated Nelson badly," read the high court's decision.

"We are asked to decide only if a genuine fact issue exists as to whether Dr. Knight engaged in unlawful gender discrimination when he fired Nelson at the request of his wife. For the reasons previously discussed, we believe this conduct did not amount to unlawful discrimination, and therefore we affirm the judgment of the district court."
It isn't a "legal technicality," it is an application of Iowa's gender discrimination law to the facts of the case, with the lower court finding that given the facts of the case, the employee had no case against her employer (in effect, the employer did not fire her based upon her gender - which would have been unlawful), and the State Supreme Court upholding that finding.

Under Iowa law, gender discrimination is present where:

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an employer engages in unlawful sex discrimination when the employer takes adverse employment action against an employee and sex is a motivating factor in the employer’s decision.
It probably goes without saying, but I strongly disagree with the Court's reasoning and result.

I do agree with the plaintiff's statement that she "did nothing to get herself fired except exist as a female". (In fact, the employer had confirmed to the woman's husband that she was one of the best employees he'd ever had).

You can read the decision here (it is only16 pages, not too dense).

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I hope that woman gets a HUGE settlement from her ex boss.

I can't believe that BS.

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With regard to politics, I definitely thought he meant harsh things posted online. I know that when the Sandra Fluke story broke on this forum, there were similar comments. I've read many about Hillary Clinton, too. I agree that the people making these kinds of comments, men and women, would rarely do so "in real life."

I also thought it was a bit much to lay the blame at the feet of popular culture, as if that is indistinguishable from reality. If men are conditioned to think that they get the pretty girl as a prize, then women are equally conditioned to think that ___________(insert any pop culture construction of masculinity here). And while our pop culture certainly reflects and helps to create our concepts of gender, I don't think we are powerless to buy into its whims as if there is no other alternative or way to think about the issue.
I agree.


Women are often conditioned to believe they are going to get Prince Charming....just as silly as the men thinking they are going to get a gorgeous girl.

And yeah...conditioning only goes as far as we let it. I do think most guys over 25 or so finally realize it's not the case.....only the dumb ones are still hoping for the Barbie doll past that age.
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I hope that woman gets a HUGE settlement from her ex boss.

I can't believe that
Nope, she will get nothing. The highest court in the state found that she didn't have a case. So after ten successful, complaint-free years working for the man, and absolutely no questionable behavior on her part, she's fired because he can't control his own lustful thoughts. But of course that has nothing to do with her gender.

The whole thing could be a perfect case study for the third point in the article Mel posted:

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