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Old 03-12-2014   #61 (permalink)
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110% in agreement. You think the political BOZO's would get their act together and work it out. Instead they prefer to piss on each other at the expense of their own tourism.

I am wondering how much of this new strictness/tit for tat stuff has to do with Canada making it a legal requirement in since 2009 for Mexican nationals to have a visitor Visa before coming here....petty revenge stuff, maybe?

Mexican nationals now require a Canadian visa to travel to Canada
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I am wondering how much of this new strictness/tit for tat stuff has to do with Canada making it a legal requirement in since 2009 for Mexican nationals to have a visitor Visa before coming here....petty revenge stuff, maybe?

Mexican nationals now require a Canadian visa to travel to Canada
It is my understanding, plus it was reported in the news media, that the requirement for Mexican Nationals to have a Canadian entry visa was a direct result of 1,000 or so Mexican Nationals showing up at Canadian Customs in a one year time frame claiming refugee status. And you know how refugees are treated in Canada.

Recently there was a Canadian trade delegation to Mexico and this issue was discussed between the Mexican president and our PM. I believe the consensus was to work it out.
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I know it is often the case that people will complain if there is a problem but don't always post if there wasn't any issue with there vacation. That is why I was wondering if anyone with a record has been able to get in Mexico with no issues.
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It is my understanding, plus it was reported in the news media, that the requirement for Mexican Nationals to have a Canadian entry visa was a direct result of 1,000 or so Mexican Nationals showing up at Canadian Customs in a one year time frame claiming refugee status. And you know how refugees are treated in Canada.

Recently there was a Canadian trade delegation to Mexico and this issue was discussed between the Mexican president and our PM. I believe the consensus was to work it out.

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Refugee claims from Mexico have almost tripled since 2005, making it the number one source country for claims.

In 2008, more than 9,400 claims filed in Canada came from Mexican nationals, representing 25 per cent of all claims received. Of the Mexican claims reviewed and finalized in 2008 by the Immigration and Refugee Board, an independent administrative tribunal, only 11 per cent were accepted.

“In addition to creating significant delays and spiraling new costs in our refugee program, the sheer volume of these claims is undermining our ability to help people fleeing real persecution,” said Minister Kenney.
I don't really disagree with the need to have the visa requirement, myself. I was just wondering if it might be a revenge thing, making it more difficult to travel there for us, as well....at least in part.

jiffer- it sounds like it really could go either way....he would likely be just fine, but if not...it's a risk.

It is sort of like how all tour companies and airlines, at least here in Canada, are recommending that people have six months left on their passport when traveling to Mexico. That is NOT the official rule for entry to Mexico (which states that your passport must be valid for the duration of your trip only), but some people have been refused entry, due to rogue Immigration officer or airline employee.

It's silly and frustrating and just plain wrong - but it could also conceivably ruin your vacation if you are refused entry, and unlikely you will get a refund even if you have trip insurance. So, best to just make sure you have 6 months left on your passport.
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I know it is often the case that people will complain if there is a problem but don't always post if there wasn't any issue with there vacation. That is why I was wondering if anyone with a record has been able to get in Mexico with no issues.
I have heard of no Canadians flying directly to Mexico being denied entry into Mexico because of a criminal infraction.

Given the boarder issues between the US and Mexico. Entry denial for US citizens entering Mexico could be seen as retaliation.
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I'm betting Edward Snowden could enlighten us with subjective views about how the US Federal government is again dishing up their evil... hopefully, more whistle blowers will surface to keep the Feds in check.

From a different forum, I'm getting the impression that the bulk of individuals being refused entry into Mexico are/were living in Florida or California and are listed as registered offenders (I presume that means sexual offenders).

If someone really wanted a guarantee of getting into Mexico, regardless of their criminal history, they'd probably have no problem crossing near Brownsville, Texas. There are at least four places to cross in the immediate area. Tourist visas are issued at a window where the agent has no computer. You pay the fee for processing to the banjercito which has the only computer systems in the facility. Immigration officers rarely pull anyone aside to check their status like they automatically do at the Cancun airport.

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I know it is often the case that people will complain if there is a problem but don't always post if there wasn't any issue with there vacation. That is why I was wondering if anyone with a record has been able to get in Mexico with no issues.
A couple of acquaintances from Canada whom are definitely Not allowed in the US due to the their records, were in Mexico in Feb 2014. Could be the luck of the draw on the Customs Officer at the time?
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I don't really disagree with the need to have the visa requirement, myself. I was just wondering if it might be a revenge thing, making it more difficult to travel there for us, as well....at least in part.

jiffer- it sounds like it really could go either way....he would likely be just fine, but if not...it's a risk.

It is sort of like how all tour companies and airlines, at least here in Canada, are recommending that people have six months left on their passport when traveling to Mexico. That is NOT the official rule for entry to Mexico (which states that your passport must be valid for the duration of your trip only), but some people have been refused entry, due to rogue Immigration officer or airline employee.
Mexico is upset about its citizens now required to get a Canadian visa. I have done a lot of interviews with Mexicans claiming for refugee status. They ALL had the same story (being afraid to get killed by their neighbour for telling the police about their illegal activities). The story is always the same and one day one of our colleague found a Mexican magazine in a suitcase, there was an article explaining "How to immigrate to Canada without the regular process". Of course, 95% of those Mexicans are sent back home after a year because there was no evidence that they were unsafe in Mexico. They just wanted to start a new life and found an easy way to do it. Most of them I got were lower-middle class Mexicans, not rich but not that poor either. We started to explain to them that if they want to move to Canada, they need to do the same paper stuff than everyone else: applications for work permit or permanent residence. Not telling us lies.

It was time consuming at that time because while working on those cases, we couldn't handle the regular travellers with legal work authorization, student permits, new immigrants, etc. it wasn't fair for anyone.
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Do you guys think the airline will charge extra to someone that is turned away at Cancun airport and is sent home on the next flight? I wonder how that is handled?
The airline has the obligation to return you on the next available flight with seats available. Assuming you are traveling on a round trip ticket, which you would have to be, entering as a tourist, the airline simply changes your return flight to the next seat out, but they don't charge you any more money. So you basically forfeit your return flight.
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I am wondering how much of this new strictness/tit for tat stuff has to do with Canada making it a legal requirement in since 2009 for Mexican nationals to have a visitor Visa before coming here....petty revenge stuff, maybe?

Mexican nationals now require a Canadian visa to travel to Canada
Totally unrelated. All applicants for non tourist FM status must apply at the Mexican Consulate in their home country.
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Mexico is upset about its citizens now required to get a Canadian visa. I have done a lot of interviews with Mexicans claiming for refugee status. They ALL had the same story (being afraid to get killed by their neighbour for telling the police about their illegal activities). The story is always the same and one day one of our colleague found a Mexican magazine in a suitcase, there was an article explaining "How to immigrate to Canada without the regular process". Of course, 95% of those Mexicans are sent back home after a year because there was no evidence that they were unsafe in Mexico. They just wanted to start a new life and found an easy way to do it. Most of them I got were lower-middle class Mexicans, not rich but not that poor either. We started to explain to them that if they want to move to Canada, they need to do the same paper stuff than everyone else: applications for work permit or permanent residence. Not telling us lies.

It was time consuming at that time because while working on those cases, we couldn't handle the regular travellers with legal work authorization, student permits, new immigrants, etc. it wasn't fair for anyone.

That is about what I figured, and have read similar stories- thanks for your direct experience.

Not to lessen what many Mexican people go through, especially in Michoacan, Sinaloa, Guerrero, though.....when we were out fishing in Zihua this past winter, the captain (whom we have fished with the past three trips) told us that his sister disappeared four years ago without a trace since, and his brother was murdered. Both were kidnapped by the cartels and held for a ransom the family could not pay- they were pegged as being 'rich' because their family had a restaurant and two fishing boats. So, sh*t happens, for sure.
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Totally unrelated. All applicants for non tourist FM status must apply at the Mexican Consulate in their home country.

Mexico 'really mad' at Canada over imposed travel visa: ambassador | CTV News

I think you underestimate how petty and immature men in high ranking government positions can be. I totally can see how it could have something to do with it.
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How would Mexico immigration know about a US conviction?
I wonder the same thing. If you are not on the most wanted list one would think you would be fine.

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I think we would be surprised by the information stored on those computers, we are all just a bar code to that data base.
We had a Canadian friend on a recent layover in the USA that was refused to continue on to Mexico due to a old conviction in Canada.
Wonder if it matters if you have a new passport or old one.
New ones have the chips so it makes me think that is how the information is seen.. ???
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I wonder the same thing. If you are not on the most wanted list one would think you would be fine.

Wonder if it matters if you have a new passport or old one.
New ones have the chips so it makes me think that is how the information is seen.. ???
It's based on name/date of birth. Not passport number.

The system used is called NCIC and it's used in the 3 countries. You type the last name and DOB and..there you go.
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It's based on name/date of birth. Not passport number.

The system used is called NCIC and it's used in the 3 countries. You type the last name and DOB and..there you go.
Since you are familiar with the system I was wondering when they type in the person info does the conviction show up automatically on the screen or does the agent have to go looking for it?
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