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Old 08-22-2017   #31 (permalink)
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Actually the law can be fixed without too much trouble at all. And most laws always need some fixes made after passage. So that is pretty common.

Your Cheerios and Peanut Butter story was amusing. But not accurate at all. And ACA is actually a Republican Plan originally. Or didn't you know that? Which is why the Republicans just can't seem to come up anything.
Why do you think I would favor such a plan just because a version of it had Republican roots? I am not a slavish supporter of a particular political party, unlike many on this site. I don't care who came up with the plan, it still stinks.

My analogy is accurate because the ACA is not a vehicle by which we can solve the problem of paying for health insurance and cannot possible work (by design, by the way).
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Why do you think I would favor such a plan just because a version of it had Republican roots? I am not a slavish supporter of a particular political party, unlike many on this site. I don't care who came up with the plan, it still stinks.

My analogy is accurate because the ACA is not a vehicle by which we can solve the problem of paying for health insurance and cannot possible work (by design, by the way).
Best way is to go with Medicare for All IMO.
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Leadership. This is an example of great leadership. Kasich and Hickenlooper working together in bipartisanship for solutions to actually help things.

Govs. Kasich And Hickenlooper Prepare Obamacare Fixes To Present To Congress : NPR
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Leadership. This is an example of great leadership. Kasich and Hickenlooper working together in bipartisanship for solutions to actually help things.

Govs. Kasich And Hickenlooper Prepare Obamacare Fixes To Present To Congress : NPR
There are many other bipartisan parties working on plans...don't expect MSM to tell you that.
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Best way is to go with Medicare for All IMO.
You are obviously not well-acquainted with the underlying financial reality Medicare. Unless you put a gun to the colective heads of providers and printed money by the truckload there is no way such a plan could work.
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You are obviously not well-acquainted with the underlying financial reality Medicare. Unless you put a gun to the colective heads of providers and printed money by the truckload there is no way such a plan could work.
How many of our Canadian Friends want to exchange their Health Insurance system to one like ours?
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i didn't say they were illegal, a judge did. The illegal payments refer to monies specifically sent to the insurance companies independent and in addition to the subsidies received by policyholders. Mr Obama made a verbal deal with the insurance companies to illegally pay them money to further keep down the premiums and deductibles.

Many of the people who buy insurance that is ACA-compliant, either on the exchanges or elsewhere, are getting screwed due to high premiums and high deductibles; is this something about which you are unaware?



While those 30 and under get screwed, sounds like a great trade-off.

IMO the federal government should stay out of the health insurance marketplace.
Maternity coverage is mandatory in health insurance policies. Without it young people would pay around $17,000 per year ADDITIONAL premiums for maternity coverage. My health insurance is higher because of that. My premiums are higher because of those with Pre-existing conditions which I do not have. There are tradeoffs. The Republicans wanted even higher deductibles and coinsurance.

And for many people getting health insurance from their employer, it was the Employer who made the decision to raise deductibles and increase employee contributions. That was not a government decision. Those getting health insurance on the exchanges are almost all getting some subsidy.

Government got involved when they passed EMTALA in 1986 with no funding for that mandate. Which seems to coincide with the beginnings of the ever increasing premiums we have today. Cost shifting for uncompensated care.
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Any Canadian Friends wish to switch to a system of Health Insurance like we have in the United States?
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Any Americans want to be taxed like Canada for lesser healthcare?
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Any Canadian Friends wish to switch to a system of Health Insurance like we have in the United States?
no fukking way!

I've been very happy with our healthcare system overall thus far in my life.

I don't think it's 'lesser' at all.

I don't mind paying high taxes either, to have good infrastructure and clean water and air and reliable cops and small town libraries for the old folks and fire departments and good quality schools and nice national parks and stuff like that.


edit: I'm not sure my taxes, once you add in your healthcare costs, are any different....

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no fukking way!

I've been very happy with our healthcare system overall thus far in my life.

I don't think it's 'lesser' at all.

I don't mind paying high taxes either, to have good infrastructure and clean water and air and reliable cops and small town libraries for the old folks and fire departments and good quality schools and nice national parks and stuff like that.


edit: I'm not sure my taxes, once you add in your healthcare costs, are any different....
We pay a lot of taxes as well. Federal, State, SS, and Medicare and you are looking at close to 40% for a decent paying job. I have done the math and you Canadians are better off. Unless you make million or more. In the USA we pay a $1,000 or more in monthly premiums. In addition we also have deductibles and copay when we get sick and go to the doctor which can add close to another $10,000 or so depending. Many employers give health insurance as a benefit but employees still likely pay several hundred per month and you have deductibles and copays. Because employers give health insurance as a benefit they back off on the wages in the US accordingly.

People go bankrupt in the US when they get sick because of health problems. And it was worse before ACA.

And the Far Right tells horror stories about Canadians flocking to the US because they hate their health care. I know of ZERO Canadians that do that. If they did it is only because they are fabulously wealthy. Because any normal person would bankrupt themselves doing that. Especially when healthcare is free in Canada.
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We pay a lot of taxes as well. Federal, State, SS, and Medicare and you are looking at close to 40% for a decent paying job. I have done the math and you Canadians are better off. Unless you make million or more. In the USA we pay a $1,000 or more in monthly premiums. In addition we also have deductibles and copay when we get sick and go to the doctor which can add close to another $10,000 or so depending. Many employers give health insurance as a benefit but employees still likely pay several hundred per month and you have deductibles and copays. Because employers give health insurance as a benefit they back off on the wages in the US accordingly.

People go bankrupt in the US when they get sick because of health problems. And it was worse before ACA.

And the Far Right tells horror stories about Canadians flocking to the US because they hate their health care. I know of ZERO Canadians that do that. If they did it is only because they are fabulously wealthy. Because any normal person would bankrupt themselves doing that. Especially when healthcare is free in Canada.

I don't know anyone who went to the US for healthcare...unless you count a retired former co-workers daughter (Jehovah's Witness) who went down to Arizona to some sketchy 'alternative' cancer treatment place. She is dead now, by the way.

yeah, some of the super rich 'skip the queue' and go out of the country to get some procedures done, usually non-essential ones like new knees. More power to them. It's not because our care is not good here, it's to skip the waiting list. And waiting lists can be long in some places, and not bad at all in others. It depends.

I pay around 40-45% I believe in paycheck taxes.
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from 2014, but very informative for some of you on here who prefer to think only in old BS chestnuts and incorrect stereotypes and assumptions when it comes to our healthcare system up here.



lotssss of you should watch this- although I am sure most of you will be tempted to mansplain to her why she is wrong, good thing it's a video! lol
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I don't know anyone who went to the US for healthcare...unless you count a retired former co-workers daughter (Jehovah's Witness) who went down to Arizona to some sketchy 'alternative' cancer treatment place. She is dead now, by the way.

yeah, some of the super rich 'skip the queue' and go out of the country to get some procedures done, usually non-essential ones like new knees. More power to them. It's not because our care is not good here, it's to skip the waiting list. And waiting lists can be long in some places, and not bad at all in others. It depends.

I pay around 40-45% I believe in paycheck taxes.
The monthly insurance premiums are at least 10% to 20% of your income. Hell ACA even with subsidies only drops your premium to around 10% of income. And then we have deductibles and coinsurance as well on top of it.

I have noticed that Canadians generally get more vacation time than we do here in the USA as well. Are there a lot of Unions in Canada. Not so much here in the USA anymore and wages and benefits have been kind of stagnant. CEO pay is off the charts.
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The monthly insurance premiums are at least 10% to 20% of your income. Hell ACA even with subsidies only drops your premium to around 10% of income. And then we have deductibles and coinsurance as well on top of it.

I have noticed that Canadians generally get more vacation time than we do here in the USA as well. Are there a lot of Unions in Canada. Not so much here in the USA anymore and wages and benefits have been kind of stagnant. CEO pay is off the charts.
The US has about 10 times more people than Canada. 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border (making its population more concentrated than the US). Canada's population is far more homogenous. Canada has 11 companies in the world's fortune 500. The US has 132. In 2016 (the latest available) Canada spent 17.2% of GDP on social expenditures. The US, 19.3%
https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=SOCX_AGG

Some people are just spoiled and the grass always looks greener. In this case, it just has more snow cover.
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