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Old 05-07-2017   #46 (permalink)
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Raking the woods????


Thanks for the best laugh in a month.

Sort of like raking a beach, huh?
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Best you got?

Why not make an intelligent response?
You go first.
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Sort of like raking a beach, huh?
No. Not at all. Not even close.
Keep it up.
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Why not make an intelligent response?
That's classic.
You haven't made an intelligent statement since you've been on this thread.
We'll ignore other threads at the moment.
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Maintenance on those beaches.


Hmmm.


I didn't know beaches needed maintenance. Do valleys, mountains, plains, prairies, fields, desert..... should I go on? Also need 'maintenance'?

My point is, this shit is silly, and people need to adapt. Do I feel leaves need to be raked up? Hell no.

Garbage???

YES!!!
Then you need to get out more.
Comparing the maintenance of a beach in a tourist/resort area where the beach is the major attraction to a maintaining a mountain or desert is, well, plain silly.
Beaches where we live are raked and maintained. Where I vacation in the summer they have a combine like machine that goes through the water near the beaches to remove seaweed so people can swim. The beach at the place we stay is raked every morning. Why ? Because the beach and water is what people come to the area for and tourism is built around those very beaches and waters.
It would be like if the lawns in the nice parks in your City were never maintained. Should people just adapt to lawns that are never mowed because grass is just supposed to grow ?
Keeping the beaches clean and pristine, or at least trying is essential when that very beach is such a big part of why people visit the area.
If you want untouched and natural with no maintenance, head out of town to a more secluded beach......or maybe up a mountain or out to the the desert.
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Just here to argue for argument's sake, no benefit to continuing this inane discussion...
I do give those workers a lot of respect!
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The folks that live there don't want to see the tourist pesos dry up. I get that. The gringos come for the beach, I get that too.

Using machines to clean up the never ending cycle of Mother Natures seaweed would make sense to me, but I've never seen one. Just workers laboring at the senseless task of cleaning this up by hand.

imo, that's nonsense, and demeaning.

The locals will argue ANYTHING that threatens their city, regardless of the circumstances, and that strikes me as weak on solutions.

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The folks that live there don't want to see the tourist pesos dry up. I get that. The gringos come for the beach, I get that too.

Using machines to clean up the never ending cycle of Mother Natures seaweed would make sense to me, but I've never seen one. Just workers laboring at the senseless task of cleaning this up by hand.

imo, that's nonsense, and demeaning.

The locals will argue ANYTHING that threatens their city, regardless of the circumstances, and that strikes me as weak on solutions.
I agree machines make more sense,but then you are taking a pay check out of people's hands.
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The folks that live there don't want to see the tourist pesos dry up. I get that. The gringos come for the beach, I get that too.

Using machines to clean up the never ending cycle of Mother Natures seaweed would make sense to me, but I've never seen one. Just workers laboring at the senseless task of cleaning this up by hand.

imo, that's nonsense, and demeaning.

The locals will argue ANYTHING that threatens their city, regardless of the circumstances, and that strikes me as weak on solutions.
I don't see anything here that would "threaten" the city, other than I do believe these workers do work for Solidaridad (the city) at least on the beaches here. The fact is, there is no end of laborers wanting and willing to do this and any other meaningful or meaningless labor, and they are happy to do so. Labor in this area is cheap therefor no machines are needed, even though there is a machine in town it is rarely used...

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Using front loaders/combines to clear the beaches also takes away a lot of the sand. This leads to beach erosion and more problems. The best way to deal with it is to rake it up by hand.

Cancun/PDC are what they are because of the beauty of the beaches. They are a tremendous natural resource. If people didn't care about the sargassum invasion this thread wouldn't exist. The beaches need to be maintained.

The mountain/desert comparison is way off base. Our beaches are more like a golf course. If they quit mowing, fertilizing, raking the bunkers...no one would pay to play there. They would simply find another course.

The same with Playa's beaches...
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Using front loaders/combines to clear the beaches also takes away a lot of the sand. This leads to beach erosion and more problems. The best way to deal with it is to rake it up by hand.

Cancun/PDC are what they are because of the beauty of the beaches. They are a tremendous natural resource. If people didn't care about the sargassum invasion this thread wouldn't exist. The beaches need to be maintained.

The mountain/desert comparison is way off base. Our beaches are more like a golf course. If they quit mowing, fertilizing, raking the bunkers...no one would pay to play there. They would simply find another course.

The same with Playa's beaches...
The machine they use in Ft Lauderdale doesn't take any sand away.
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Using front loaders/combines to clear the beaches also takes away a lot of the sand. This leads to beach erosion and more problems. The best way to deal with it is to rake it up by hand.

Cancun/PDC are what they are because of the beauty of the beaches. They are a tremendous natural resource. If people didn't care about the sargassum invasion this thread wouldn't exist. The beaches need to be maintained.

The mountain/desert comparison is way off base. Our beaches are more like a golf course. If they quit mowing, fertilizing, raking the bunkers...no one would pay to play there. They would simply find another course.

The same with Playa's beaches...
I don't recall seeing anyone suggesting front loaders or combines to remove the sea weed. There are machines designed specifically for this purpose.
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Last November we were in Puertos Morelas and they were cleaning the beaches with machinery that picks up the seaweed and left the sand - much like sifting. And there wasn't really that much seaweed but they still thought it important to keep the beach clean. Just last week, as we were heading to the beach quite early, there was one of those pieces of equipment driving down the beach - but not picking up anything! And this was when there were mounds of seaweed on the beach and in the water. Also no one raked, shovelled or picked up the seaweed all day. It was surprising to see this equipment, but even more surprising that it wasn't been used - at least during the day.
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For the record, I was not suggesting in my previous post that machines be used instead of employing people or that it offers a better solution. My point was that in areas where the beach attracts tourists and locals alike the beaches are maintained both where I live and vacation here in Canada, so I do not see why it is so unusual and/or demeaning that people are employed to make the beaches more attractive in PDC when the beach is a huge draw.
On my way into work today I saw City workers weeding a boulevard. Those weeds are just going to grow back and they will have to do it all over again. I did not think their work was demeaning however.
Now I am done.

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There may be specific machines to remove seaweed but I have not seen them used in Playa or Cancun. It's not unusual that the latest, greatest equipment isn't used in Mexico. I've seen 10 story hotels in Cancun get the exterior painted. By hand. Not a compressor or sprayer in sight. The multi level condo project next to the airstrip is being built without a crane. I'm sure we're all aware that things are not always done down here to US/Canadian standards.

I think the sargassum needs to be removed, for the health of the local economy, and if it is done by hand, by hard working and willing individuals, then so be it.
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