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Old 06-20-2017   #16 (permalink)
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Hope the guy makes it to Playa some day.

I think that he opted out in favor of Ocean City, MD. But that it not such a bad second choice, but it is not Playa.
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That article was a bunch of nonsense, and never was relevant. The author evaluated a bunch of ATM's, all of which were in remote locations and of the free-standing third party variety. None were in banks, bank foyers, grocery stores, or airports. The readers were never told that until the last couple of paragraphs.
I certainly wouldn't call it nonsense Brian Krebs is very well respected computer security circles. It you're into IT stuff at all his name should jump out at you. Yes the machines he reviewed were private no arm bandits. But that technology has only gotten more sophisticated since this article and everyone should be aware. The techs are corruptible and any machine can and will be compromised at some point.
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The techs are corruptible


any machine can and will be compromised at some point.

Everyone is corruptible.

I didn't know that any machine will be compromised.

Mr Krebs article was not credible, based on his most peculiar choices of ATM's to expose. Yes, he's well known, but inquiring minds have to wonder how much of his expertise is creative writing and marketing, as was clearly the case when he exposed all of those compromised ATM's.

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I've seen this Krebs article previously, and found it to be well written, unbiased and informative. I'm glad that the poster re-posted it for others to see. Very good information and insightful. Thank you.

When someone points out the flaws of this region, they are quite certain to be criticized by the residents and hard core Playa cheerleaders. Whether it be the water pollution, overbuilding, introduction of malls, crime, unsuspecting tourists being ripped off by merchants, corrupt police, hassled by drug dealers, and on, get ready to be ridiculed or chastised by the people that just can't stand to see or read about their beloved Playa's real problems.

The defensiveness is nearly tangible on this forum. Some can't handle the truth.

I was ridiculed for posting a Google Earth image of Playa demonstrating it's vast sprawl and growth over the past years. A Google Earth image. Un-retouched, unadulterated. It doesn't get more real than that.

My tip to you folks, and you know who you are: Playa is very, very far from being a "paradise". It has it's share of problems, and they're growing. Having written that, no place is perfect. Just don't trip over yourselves defending the indefensible. And try a little harder not to judge people on this forum based on their thread count.

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I've seen this Krebs article previously, and found it to be well written, unbiased and informative. I'm glad that the poster re-posted it for others to see. Very good information and insightful. Thank you.

When someone points out the flaws of this region, they are quite certain to be criticized by the residents and hard core Playa cheerleaders. Whether it be the water pollution, overbuilding, introduction of malls, crime, unsuspecting tourists being ripped off by merchants, corrupt police, hassled by drug dealers, and on, get ready to be ridiculed or chastised by the people that just can't stand to see or read about their beloved Playa's real problems.

The defensiveness is nearly tangible on this forum. Some can't handle the truth.

I was ridiculed for posting a Google Earth image of Playa demonstrating it's vast sprawl and growth over the past years. A Google Earth image. Un-retouched, unadulterated. It doesn't get more real than that.

My tip to you folks, and you know who you are: Playa is very, very far from being a "paradise". It has it's share of problems, and they're growing. Having written that, no place is perfect. Just don't trip over yourselves defending the indefensible.
This is not a Playa thing,it happens everywhere.
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This is not a Playa thing,it happens everywhere.
What is obvious to most people, but more prevalent in some regions over others.

What is your point? Never mind...
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I've had my credit card/debit card compromised many times in my travels. My bank in the US typically notifies me. Like when I was at home in the states and someone was trying to buy a washer/dryer in Guadalajara.

I just tell them which charges are fraudulent and they reverse the charges in 24 hours. I know it's a hassle, especially if someone is low on cash, but it's not the end of the world.

As for the other chatter in this thread, The Eagles sang it best, "Call someplace Paradise...kiss it goodbye..."
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What is obvious to most people, but more prevalent in some regions over others.

What is your point? Never mind...
Funny, at least to me, in all this. I have a low limit card and withdraw pesos from several locations weekly in Playa when I spend my annual winter there. End result is about 30 to 40 transactions a season over many many years, and never have I had a problem in Playa. But at the same at home,using the ATM maybe 2 or 3 times a year my account has been compromised twice, in less than two years.

But then I guess there isn't a forum to generate all this talk about it at home.
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I've had my credit card/debit card compromised many times in my travels. My bank in the US typically notifies me. Like when I was at home in the states and someone was trying to buy a washer/dryer in Guadalajara.

I just tell them which charges are fraudulent and they reverse the charges in 24 hours. I know it's a hassle, especially if someone is low on cash, but it's not the end of the world.

As for the other chatter in this thread, The Eagles sang it best, "Call someplace Paradise...kiss it goodbye..."
At ATM's? That's the topic of this thread.
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Funny, at least to me, in all this. I have a low limit card and withdraw pesos from several locations weekly in Playa when I spend my annual winter there. End result is about 30 to 40 transactions a season over many many years, and never have I had a problem in Playa. But at the same at home,using the ATM maybe 2 or 3 times a year my account has been compromised twice, in less than two years.

But then I guess there isn't a forum to generate all this talk about it at home.

It would be helpful to include where you live in order to appreciate a region that has more prevalence of ATM fraud than Riviera Maya/Playa, at least in your experience. Additionally, at "home", have you learned the source of the ATM fraud? Is it skimming, or some other technique? Also would be helpful to know.
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Part 2 of Kreb's experiences in this region, in case anyone missed it.

Here: Tracking Bluetooth Skimmers in Mexico, Part II — Krebs on Security
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At ATM's? That's the topic of this thread.
Maybe? I don't think anyone who uses their credit card/debit card frequently can say for sure. There is no difference between your card info being compromised at an ATM, at a merchant or online. If my card is compromised, I report it to my bank as fraud and the charges are reversed.
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Maybe? I don't think anyone who uses their credit card/debit card frequently can say for sure. There is no difference between your card info being compromised at an ATM, at a merchant or online. If my card is compromised, I report it to my bank as fraud and the charges are reversed.
I don't know because I've never had a credit card, but I've heard that while an unauthorized CREDIT card charge is extremely easy to get reversed, an unauthorized DEBIT card charge is extremely difficult.

Is this true?
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I don't know because I've never had a credit card, but I've heard that while an unauthorized CREDIT card charge is extremely easy to get reversed, an unauthorized DEBIT card charge is extremely difficult.

Is this true?
All of my issued involved my debit card (that's linked to an account that has a lowish balance). Every time I've had a problem, my bank has been very quick to deal with it and reverse the charges.
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When someone points out the flaws of this region, they are quite certain to be criticized by the residents and hard core Playa cheerleaders. Whether it be the water pollution, overbuilding, introduction of malls, crime, unsuspecting tourists being ripped off by merchants, corrupt police, hassled by drug dealers, and on, get ready to be ridiculed or chastised by the people that just can't stand to see or read about their beloved Playa's real problems.
Sogno,

I agree with you 100% (even though you trolled a post I made a week ago; not nice). I call it, "Playa Fever." I like the "Playa Cheerleader" thing though. Funny.

The "that can happen anywhere" line is the most common defense you get. In all honesty, "that can happen anywhere" is a pretty damn lame excuse for making a point. But it's a quick and easy knee-jerk response to just about any criticism. Worst of all—it's true. Albeit completely useless because it doesn't mention anything about relative rates of occurrence.

Essentially, it's like a raging alcoholic justifying their drinking by saying, "most adults drink alcohol" as if the AMOUNT of alcohol they drink (compared to the others) is completely irrelevant. Ughhh!!! You can't fix stupid.

This is an amazing place, but, you're right—its got some serious problems that the local government refuses to address. And it doesn't help that so many expats are so punch drunk about the place that they take criticism of Playa so personally.

I live here, and I really enjoy living here, but to suggest that everything is perfect here is a big fat lie.

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