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Old 07-14-2017   #16 (permalink)
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?? Does it matter? Obviously I didn't know the story?
Somebody died..end of story.
I'm sure people die in Green Bay..
Unless ur family, why ask?
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Somebody died..end of story.
I'm sure people die in Green Bay..
Unless ur family, why ask?
Dude. Knock it off.
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Somebody died..end of story.
I'm sure people die in Green Bay..
Unless ur family, why ask?

I live in Erie, Pennsylvania. When there is a murder or bad accident in town, I want to know why/what/where, also.

Partly for curiosity, partly for picturing the area and the scene and probability of danger.

When I hear ANY news about Playa, good or bad, I want details. Because I love the area.
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You taking to me "dude"??
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Yep.
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It's certainly a tragic, senseless story....but after reading all the facts, it really doesn't seem that fishy or mysterious to me. With all those shots, and that (verified) BAC, no need for there to have been drugs involved- even though that always gets brought up.

It seems like it would be actually pretty easy after 7 plus shots in an hour for a young, slim and inexperienced drinker to simply slip and fall and maybe hit her head on a concrete barstool and pass out and wind up drowned....and it gets dark early, was dusk at the time, so not that weird that no one saw....what IS weird, for me anyway- is that there were two of them.
You are right. The story makes complete sense and is senseless at the same time. What is wierd to me is this quote by the brother:

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“Knowing that we got played or are victims of some sick person drugging us is almost surreal.”
If you think your sister might have been the victim of a homicide, are you really going to claim you "got played" or that it is "surreal." Not really the words of someone looking tor a killer. Kid knows more than he is admitting to, IMHO.

BTW: I get the "why so interested" question if the family hadn't gone so public with accusations that can easily be refuted. Since they did, it is better to present some facts (as Drew Jones and Rissask did) disputing or clarifying different aspects of the story rather than just letting the story stay out there in the sensationalistic form it was presented by US Today and the Daily Mirror.

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Resorts in Mexico suspected of drugging tourists

This is quite a long article but definitely worth the read, especially if you like to stay at AIs.......and drink!

Resorts in Mexico suspected of drugging tourists | WFAA.com
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Here's an article from the Milwaukee paper about numerous incidents at all-inclusives in the Riviera Maya.

All-inclusive resorts in Mexico suspected of drugging tourists
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This is quite a long article but definitely worth the read, especially if you like to stay at AIs.......and drink!

Resorts in Mexico suspected of drugging tourists | WFAA.com
I read this same article yesterday online courtesy of the Detroit Free Press. Now it's on a weather site. Nobody has yet mentioned the possibility of diving into a 4-foot deep pool, one of the most common causes of head injury in a pool area (and slip and fall accidents). It seems unlikely that they were attacked and beaten up poolside unless they were carrying a lot of wet bills in their bathing suits. And the complaints about money at Hospiten, while generally correct about getting money in advance, are incorrect about everything else. They're lucky they were taken to Hospiten and not to any of the other so-called 'American' hospitals in Cancun, all decidedly second-rate by comparison. It's an odd series of inexplicables, but inebriated and diving into a shallow pool - together, or one going in to save the other - sounds more likely given what all the articles say about the injuries.
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I'm going with the tainted alcohol theory. It's no secret that the booze at most resorts in Cancun/Playa is watered down, but I've seen a new bottle of "Jack Daniels" opened before my eyes and served to me on the rocks. No way it was Jack.

If I drank at home the way I drank at most Mexican AI resorts, I'd need a new liver!

People getting drugged for no apparant reason (robbery, sexual assault) makes no sense, although the article mentions a few of those situations, most ended up back in their room, basically intact with no recollection of what happened. Tainted alcohol seems to answer a lot of questions for me.
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This is quite a long article but definitely worth the read, especially if you like to stay at AIs.......and drink!

Resorts in Mexico suspected of drugging tourists | WFAA.com
This is beyond frightening. We've never stayed at an AI but are not against the idea at all.....at least until now. Reading that entire article, I am inclined to believe this is happening. Not to everyone, not every day, but it's real.

And 7 shots in an hour is common???? Holy COW I live in a bubble.....and I'll stay here, TYVM.
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There was an article on this a couple of years ago on tainted alcohol and people having it trying to jump across condo balconies (unsuccessfully). When I first read this story I thought of that but could be just plain old drunk and getting knocked down in the pool.

I'm curious if the serving of bad alcohol is on purpose or if it is just bootleg alcohol delivered.
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7 shots is pretty extreme, but I have seen it out in the bars, yeah. Dumb. I know that would be enough to make me terribly drunk.

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Extortion? In at least three cases, travelers reported that local hospitals, part of the Hospiten chain, appeared to be gouging them, demanding large sums of cash. One man was told to take a cab to an ATM. The vacationers suspected Iberostar might be in cahoots with the medical company. The resort contracts with Hospiten and refers sick and injured guests to Hospiten's facilities.
I've heard of this often enough now that it seems it is very likely there is a shred of truth to it. There has been stories about this scenario happening in Cancun on 'Bad Trips Abroad'. But I am not sure there is a hotel-hospital link with actual kick-backs, maybe more likely that the hospitals are acting alone over-charging people....but who knows.

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Could it be what the attorney for the Conner family alluded to in his report: All-inclusive resorts using cheap, bootleg booze to cut costs?
Now THAT- seems very likely.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, as a rule. Most are bogus.

But the amount of booze flowing at these AIs, with the gluttonous way many tourists drink at them? I've often wondered how they can afford all that alcohol and food and still make money on the amount they charge a day. And it sounds like there is really no intent to hurt people, maybe they don't even necessarily know it's adulterated...

I'll continue to stick to cerveza and vino.

ETA: The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Everyone trying to make the hotels or bartenders into the 'bad guy' is what the problem is....they likely don't even know if the alcohol is adulterated or not. Everyone is just trying to make a buck, from the manufacturers to the distribution companies/importers to the wholesalers to the transport company to the hotels...who knows where along the chain something happens, or if? There is likely no evil intent to hurt people, just trying to save money- of course the outcome can still be tragic. Once again this only proves there is too little regulation and laws, maybe....but it certainly doesn't mean 'Mexico is unsafe' or Mexicans aren't to be trusted'....or 'AIs are dangerous'....

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We have stayed at that same AI many times in the past and I can say it is the only time I have ever seen my will literally sick from drinking.

She was not slipped anything in the drink because I watched them make it each time. She did not drink a lot but I think the combination of sun, dehydration and the fact it was a mia tia or some similar horrible red punch type drink, also she may have mixed different types of drinks too. And the fact we came out of a winter setting with no exposure to real sunlight for months.

The brand they were pouring was Marino. Looked low end so I'm sure there all kinds of impurities that are not in the top shelf stuff.

I have pulled people out of the water that I was watching because they were obviously so wasted to the degree that they had lost most of their motor skills and their friends were no better off. I figured that just because they were drunk on their own accord didn't mean they deserved drowning.
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This new story is an interesting read, but it's poor journalism.


They are quoting public statistics to suggest AI resorts serve "tainted". But these stats they quote are country wide.


The tainted booze the authorities is confiscating, is far more likely to be coming from 100 peso "all you can drink" local bars in poor areas of Mexico, and not AI places where $200 a night (and often much more) foreigners are drinking. EVEN IF a tourist were going a full bottle's worth of top shelf liquor per day, the AIs are still making money. AIs don't pay retail like you do, so that $40 bottle of booze that kid went through, only cost the AI $15 (or less).


Worst case scenario is that they serve you a cheaper brand when you think you are getting top shelf, but more likely is just that the quality has been degraded by being left in the sun too long. I was at an AI not too long ago, and I saw crates of booze just sitting out in the sun all day, that's a good way to make top shelf taste cheap or "tainted".


With the huge numbers of tourists staying at AIs, it is expected that there will be a number of cases where rouge employees or other tourists commit crimes involved drugging drinks. If this were an epidemic problem, we would be hearing about this far more often, as in hundreds or thousands of verifiable cases per month, and not the handful per year that we see. And Hospiten would be 20 times larger in order to accommodate the never ending flow of drugged suburbanites.
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