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Old 07-24-2017   #166 (permalink)
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Drew, did you really mean to say this?

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Even if the Playa murder rate doubled, it would still be statistically safer than St Louis, Detroit, New Orleans, DC, etc... I would have no safety issue with living in any of those cities, even in the urban core.
Because not only does this statement provide little reassurance about the murder rate in Playa, the bolded part is a statement with which I think most Americans would strongly disagree.
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Articles I saw dated in May had the count in the low teens. Do you think that number was wrong, or do you think there have by 15+ in the past two months?


2010 census at 160K? Sounds like 200k - 300k is about right then, considering the fast growth rate, underreporting of "undocumented workers", and the expat and tourists population.
Almost doubled in seven years (based on your high estimate)?
I don't think so.
But it's all guesswork anyway.
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I would not look at a crime map, find the most dangerous neighborhood of the city and live there. Nor would I start selling drugs.


Believe it or not, each of those cities has beautiful and vibrant areas that will not leave you dead.



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Because not only does this statement provide little reassurance about the murder rate in Playa, the bolded part is a statement with which I think most Americans would strongly disagree.
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Almost doubled in seven years (based on your high estimate)?
I don't think so.
But it's all guesswork anyway.

A 5% growth rate would put population at 220K.


Tourists aren't counted either. What was the last figure for hotel rooms in Playa? What's the number of tourists on 5th per day? And full/part time expats?


Don't forget about undocumented workers as well, which there are a fair number. Also, seasonal or workers in their first year or two may well be counted in their home city and not in Playa.


And of course you're assuming 160K was accurately counted in 2010.


200K - 300K is entirely reasonable.

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Almost doubled in seven years (based on your high estimate)?
I don't think so.
But it's all guesswork anyway.
The 230,000 number is probably low.

I am having problems linking it, but the January 5, 2015, edition of Novedades reported 203,000 residents with an increase of 18% projected for 2015. You can do the math (or guesswork) and see that between 200-300 is highly likely.
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However, if I've understood it correctly, Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion is making a strong move to take over Playa. They also have stated that their mission is to kill as many members of Los Zetas as possible.
Dalle, or anyone, help me understand one thing about this:

I don't see why Playa or QRoo is important enough to either one of them to fuss over. I don't see much of a market for the finished product, and neither seems in the middle of a trade route.

I could see the coast line as an excellent stop for goods coming up from part of central America, but little infrastructure to continue northward.
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Dalle, or anyone, help me understand one thing about this:

I don't see why Playa or QRoo is important enough to either one of them to fuss over. I don't see much of a market for the finished product, and neither seems in the middle of a trade route.

I could see the coast line as an excellent stop for goods coming up from part of central America, but little infrastructure to continue northward.
I would say that the Riviera Maya (or any tourist spot) is a hot-spot for selling product to end-users. I don't have any numbers, but I guess the value of product being sold in this region is quite high.

I know from personal experience that the club scene in Playa is quite filled with all sorts of drugs. And considering how many people are peddling the drugs, I can only assume that the demand is quite large.

Also add in the previous administration (Borge) being amazingly corrupt, this would make me believe that they could conduct their business without much trouble. I'm guessing it's pretty much the same now, with the foothold the cartels currently have along the coast.
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I know from personal experience that the club scene in Playa is quite filled with all sorts of drugs. And considering how many people are peddling the drugs, I can only assume that the demand is quite large.
OK, I get that the club scene is a vibrant one, and the patrons party hard. But in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty small, and there aren't THAT many attendees. Total sales per day (night), would hardly be a blip on the radar, again, in the grand scheme of things.

Have I aged so much that I'm that out of touch?
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31 murders seems like a lot to me compared to years past. Violence seems to be on the upswing for sure. Makes us think about doing something else if the trend continues to go the wrong way.


Just for comparisons, Oklahoma City, a city of 640,000 give or take is now up to 25 murders for 2017.
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Better check out the murders (2016 stats) in a city near you:

http://www.thetrace.org/2017/01/chic...-city-america/
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OK, I get that the club scene is a vibrant one, and the patrons party hard. But in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty small, and there aren't THAT many attendees. Total sales per day (night), would hardly be a blip on the radar, again, in the grand scheme of things.

Have I aged so much that I'm that out of touch?
I guess it's quite lucrative, as when the drugs are already in the country they do not need to cross yet another border to be sold. That should remove some of the overhead, and make it profitable enough to fight for.

I mean, compared to continue shipping the merchandise further north.

And, yes, I think we all underestimate just how much drugs are being sold all over the Riviera Maya. Nothing compared to the US, but still significant.

I don't know if the cartels have a shipping channel to Florida from Cancun either, but I would not be surprised.

But, it's just speculation on my part.
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Guys, it's not just drugs.
I'm sure the extortion of businesses is more lucrative than the drugs.
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Where did all these people go to retain their "fishing village" street cred? Are we talking residents or tourists because tourists are come and go? They are fungible and expendable as there is an endless supply. I know a few people who have been here over 25 years. Even more in the 15-20 year range and lots in the 10-15. We don't sit around reminiscing about how good it all was before the "puente."

Most vacation hotspots do not create return visitors but Playa always has. If someone finally burns out on the place, there are plenty of people willing to fill the vacancies.

I get a kick out of those who are quick to claim that a place has lots "its charm" or whatever variation of that theme they use and then claim to have found a new spot where they are now able to recreate it. Soon, that place too loses its supposed vibe because it has now become overexposed (think Isla, Tulum and soon to be added, Holbox). Many of the "I remember when" tourists are like those who claim to have attended Woodstock. If all those people had actually been here when it was a "fishing village," it would not have been just a fishing village. And how absurd is it to claim a place dead because a couple of bars close?
I am a newbie and have enjoyed reading different threads for valueable information. I rarely do post anything but this quote from PlayadelSolDos really struck a chord especially when you state tourists as "fungibile and expendable".

We have been coming to Playa for a while but not as long as when it was a fishing village. Yet, I heard many good things about it back then when my friends were travelling there. Actually, one of them convinced us to go visit Playa and have continued since. We come there not only for the nice beaches but also for the local culture. I do not like the way it's been going in the sense of how it's growing so fast and commercially. Also, big events during the New Years period, for example, perhaps does spike up the tourisim before, during and after this period. Nevertheless, we do continue visiting Playa and we have made friends there. We have also started to split our times between Playa and other areas.

To sum it up, as an example, if I do put a penny into a billion dollars of economy, than multiply that with many other tourists and it does somewhat contribute towards the economy. I think we deserve a bit better than being labeled as "fungilble and expendable".

Don't misunderstand me but at present, unfortunately, during the sad tragedies that have happened in Playa, how many of those "fungible and expendable" tourists are thinking closely before they plan their next trip there? I guess it will still be fine, but how many will be affected?

P.S. I know the original thread was about Tequilla Barrel and will be missing it and EZ as two of many fine spots in Playa.
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I am a newbie and have enjoyed reading different threads for valueable information. I rarely do post anything but this quote from PlayadelSolDos really struck a chord especially when you state tourists as "fungibile and expendable".

We have been coming to Playa for a while but not as long as when it was a fishing village. Yet, I heard many good things about it back then when my friends were travelling there. Actually, one of them convinced us to go visit Playa and have continued since. We come there not only for the nice beaches but also for the local culture. I do not like the way it's been going in the sense of how it's growing so fast and commercially. Also, big events during the New Years period, for example, perhaps does spike up the tourisim before, during and after this period. Nevertheless, we do continue visiting Playa and we have made friends there. We have also started to split our times between Playa and other areas.

To sum it up, as an example, if I do put a penny into a billion dollars of economy, than multiply that with many other tourists and it does somewhat contribute towards the economy. I think we deserve a bit better than being labeled as "fungilble and expendable".

Don't misunderstand me but at present, unfortunately, during the sad tragedies that have happened in Playa, how many of those "fungible and expendable" tourists are thinking closely before they plan their next trip there? I guess it will still be fine, but how many will be affected?

P.S. I know the original thread was about Tequilla Barrel and will be missing it and EZ as two of many fine spots in Playa.
As you well know, my point about tourists being "fungible and expendable" was in response to the few here who go on and on about how Playa used to be this wonderful fishing village and how it has gone to shit. They stopped coming. That have been replaced hundredfold. It was not meant as a personal dig. It just is what it is.

I am sure some will reconsider their trips. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with.
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And that number came from where?
The last census stated 160,000.
And yes, our vet is in Villas del Sol.
INEGI. We plan budgets based on their numbers on a national level.
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