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Old 07-29-2017   #16 (permalink)
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30k for the new ones.(Tesla)

Actually 35k for a new bare bones base model. 220 mile range in best conditions.
45k for the 310 mile range model.

And add on accessories from there
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Now, compare the cost of a hybrid to a Tesla!
I really don't know that much about Tesla's. I had a Lexus RX hybrid. I got a deal because I work for the company, but I would never buy/lease one again.
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Actually 35k for a new bare bones base model. 220 mile range in best conditions.
45k for the 310 mile range model.

And add on accessories from there
Not bad at all when you factor in all the money you save not buying gas.
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My son, who lives in Denver, bought a Chevy Bolt-probably the first one delivered in Colorado. At about 475 miles he had to have the motor replaced. The dealer pulled it and sent it back to Michigan so the engineers could rip it apart.

He had a VW TDI that he got a settlement on. By using that money and the tax credit from the Bolt I think he said his net cost was something like $10K.

It's a pretty crazy little car. Not hearing an engine is weird, the thing is way too quiet! The acceleration and torque are both amazing, you can burn rubber by flooring it, at speed. It has more interior room that you'd expect. Ground clearance is low so we're not sure how it will handle the snow in the winter. With all the weight it carries it should be interesting.
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Electricity still has an environmental impact, as well as being expensive in some markets.
Pure electric cars are bad for the environment here, as we have coal fired power plants.
Hybrid is a better option for us.

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I might buy an electric car one day but I would not buy one from Tesla. Their expensive cars fall apart. I can't imagine what would happen to their stripped-down, cheaper models.
Tesla models S are ubiquitous as BMWs around here and I have never heard a complaint of a Model S or X "falling apart". matter of fact Tesla continually get superior reviews on consumer reports and other like publications.
But I have heard a lot of criticism from conservatives about green businesses and Obama's economic stimulation investment in them.
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My son, who lives in Denver, bought a Chevy Bolt-probably the first one delivered in Colorado. At about 475 miles he had to have the motor replaced. The dealer pulled it and sent it back to Michigan so the engineers could rip it apart.

He had a VW TDI that he got a settlement on. By using that money and the tax credit from the Bolt I think he said his net cost was something like $10K.

It's a pretty crazy little car. Not hearing an engine is weird, the thing is way too quiet! The acceleration and torque are both amazing, you can burn rubber by flooring it, at speed. It has more interior room that you'd expect. Ground clearance is low so we're not sure how it will handle the snow in the winter. With all the weight it carries it should be interesting.
That is the beauty of electric. Torque all the way through the range. There was a team that put together a Shelby Daytona Coupe all electric that showed approx. 1100Ft-lbs of torque, whether standing still or at speed, almost all of that torque was available!

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Electricity still has an environmental impact, as well as being expensive in some markets.
Pure electric cars are bad for the environment here, as we have coal fired power plants.
Hybrid is a better option for us.
Manufacture of the power cells is also a pretty dirty process.

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Tesla models S are ubiquitous as BMWs around here and I have never heard a complaint of a Model S or X "falling apart". matter of fact Tesla continually get superior reviews on consumer reports and other like publications.
But I have heard a lot of criticism from conservatives about green businesses and Obama's economic stimulation investment in them.
CR lost me when they fell in love with Toyota. I've owned a couple of them and while they are a great car, the reports were way skewed toward them for along time.
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Tesla Model 3 Reviews - Tesla Model 3 Price, Photos, and Specs - Car and Driver

They are nice looking.
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Now THIS, is a good looking electric car!

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Now THIS, is a good looking electric car!

I want one!

One thing is becoming clear, electric cars are here to stay.The future is here.
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Now THIS, is a good looking electric car!

It IS....and FAST.....but a range of 100 miles on a charge. It's a toy.

I agree with BB - electric cars are here to stay and they'll just get better. For me the issue is the short range, so I would have one, say, at my house in Florida, where we don't do a ton of distance driving. But there's a whole other issue there - leaving it in the heat, how does it take to not being driven for a long while, maintenance and cost of batteries, etc....

For me, it's a wait and see kind of thing.

A good friend of mine has a new Tesla, I cant remember the model, but it's not the new cheaper one. I like it, and it seems to be a great ride, fast, and all, but....I dunno, prolly not for me.
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It IS....and FAST.....but a range of 100 miles on a charge. It's a toy.

I agree with BB - electric cars are here to stay and they'll just get better. For me the issue is the short range, so I would have one, say, at my house in Florida, where we don't do a ton of distance driving. But there's a whole other issue there - leaving it in the heat, how does it take to not being driven for a long while, maintenance and cost of batteries, etc....

For me, it's a wait and see kind of thing.

A good friend of mine has a new Tesla, I cant remember the model, but it's not the new cheaper one. I like it, and it seems to be a great ride, fast, and all, but....I dunno, prolly not for me.
Many don't like change,but we will adopt.This is happening.In 20 years it will be the norm.
It will be like,"LOOK,a gas powered car!".
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Many don't like change,but we will adopt.This is happening.In 20 years it will be the norm.
It will be like,"LOOK,a gas powered car!".
Electric cars will be powered by whatever the source of electricity is. Coal, nuclear, gas, solar, wind.

The car owner will have very little control over that, and will pay for the electricity in most cases.

I wonder how much it will increase the electric bill, having the car plugged in every night?
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It IS....and FAST.....but a range of 100 miles on a charge. It's a toy.

I agree with BB - electric cars are here to stay and they'll just get better. For me the issue is the short range, so I would have one, say, at my house in Florida, where we don't do a ton of distance driving. But there's a whole other issue there - leaving it in the heat, how does it take to not being driven for a long while, maintenance and cost of batteries, etc....

For me, it's a wait and see kind of thing.

A good friend of mine has a new Tesla, I cant remember the model, but it's not the new cheaper one. I like it, and it seems to be a great ride, fast, and all, but....I dunno, prolly not for me.
Well, yeah! It's only a two seater, no AC, brutally uncomfortable and who needs 600+ HP as a daily driver? But, damn it's sexy! What Carroll Shelby did right...he made some really cool cars!

I agree that they are the wave of the future. But, I don't think the future is quite here, yet. Range is IMHO, the biggest factor for people that turn away from them.

Of course there will also always be that sector that now can't work on their own cars. They will be a very tough sell.

The mechanic that did the Dyno testing on my car just took a position with Tesla. He said he can link into a Tesla in Miami from his office in Philly and fix the majority of what's wrong with the car. Shade tree mechanics are not ready for that.
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This all should have happened many years ago.
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