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Old 08-16-2017   #16 (permalink)
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Yeah, you're in the middle of something! Not the political spectrum though.
I am giving you my views you don't need to agree .
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I am giving you my views you don't need to agree .
No fear of that. From what I've read of your posts, there is very little we'd agree on.
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No fear of that. From what I've read of your posts, there is very little we'd agree on.
Perfect you have that right
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No fear of that. From what I've read of your posts, there is very little we'd agree on.
Just from what I have written in this thread , is there anything you agree or disagree with ?
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OPIOID Crisis

I like what some lawmakers are doing in Md on the eastern shore .

The drug dealers that sold The deadly fentanyl to users that died are being tried for murder .

I am sure if this hasn't touched your inner circle , give it time. Some drastic measures to to be expedited to combat this crisis .

Doctors also need to be held accountable for the over prescribing that's also a huge problem . The pills are being resold to addicts and the doctors and dealers are making a fortune ruining the lives of Americans and causing families to be destroyed
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Yeah, you're in the middle of something! Not the political spectrum though.
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The idea of right and left and middle is kind of silly, IMHO.

I am a fiscal conservative who believes that in a perfect world, we would pay more taxes to our towns, cities and states than we do to the feds because that is where our taxes would do more good. I am a huge believer in the idea that people who are successful are that way because of hard work and/or creativity (among other attributes) and that one should be able to enjoy the fruits of their success without the hand of the government taking huge percentages of it away to give away as a way to buy votes. I believe in charity and that the best way to help our neighbors is not through government programs but through community organizations, churches, and other more local.based programs.

On social issues, I am mixed bag. I believe most people have a right to do pretty much whatever they want as long as they do not adversely affect society or other individuals. Gay marriage, have at it. Wanna smoke weed? Do so on your own time. Can't stand bigotry and racism but believe with all my heart that people have the right to be ignorant without fear of physical harm. Nowhere are you promised to live a life of not being offended and I will offend those I think worthy of it and will expect the same from those who believe me deserving.

I like science. For example, I believe that we are born male or female (in some rare cases, not). You can call yourself whatever you want, but I am going with the scientific name for you. I believe that life does begin at conception but that it is pretty much a clump of cells very early on. I truly believe that any rational person would want to know exactly when life begins so that we could adjust our laws to correspond to that science. I believe that science should be honest and not claim things as certainties when they are not.

I believe that EVERYONE (and I mean EVERYONE) is a bigot to some extent. Those I admire are those who admit it and are working it out. Anyone who claims they are not is either a liar or delusional. Just ask yourself if there is a group of people you can't stand and there it is.

In short, I am all over the place. Most here would probably say I am on the right. I suppose I am but I don't really care much. I believe what I believe and I try to respect others but cannot stand ignorance and people who won't even consider that they may be wrong. I have been. I used to oppose gay marriage, for example. No real reason for it. Just did. I also used to be real anti-illegal immigration. Read a book on it. Changed my whole view. Now, I am more empathetic, if not supportive.

Anyway, I think this could actually be a good thread but doubt that it will be.
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The idea of right and left and middle is kind of silly, IMHO.

I am a fiscal conservative who believes that in a perfect world, we would pay more taxes to our towns, cities and states than we do to the feds because that is where our taxes would do more good. I am a huge believer in the idea that people who are successful are that way because of hard work and/or creativity (among other attributes) and that one should be able to enjoy the fruits of their success without the hand of the government taking huge percentages of it away to give away as a way to buy votes. I believe in charity and that the best way to help out neighbors is not through government programs but through community organizations, churches, and other more local.based programs.

On social issues, I am mixed bag. I believe most people have a right to do pretty much whatever they want as long as they do not adversely affect society or other individuals. Gay marriage, have at it. Wanna smoke weed? Do so on your own time. Can't stand bigotry and racism but believe with all my heart that people have the right to be ignorant without fear of physical harm. Nowhere are you promised to live of life of not being offended and I will offend those I think worthy of it and will expect the same from those who believe me deserving.

I like science. For example, I believe that we are born male or female (in some rare cases, not). You can call yourself whatever you want, but I am going with the scientific name for you. I believe that life does begin at conception but that it is pretty much a clump of cells very early on. I truly believe that any rational person would want to know exactly when life begins so that we could adjust our laws to correspond to that science. I believe that science should be honest and not claim things as certainties when they are not.

I believe that EVERYONE (and I mean EVERYONE) is a bigot to some extent. Those I admire are those who admit it and are working it out. Anyone who claims they are not is either a liar or delusional. Just ask yourself if there is a group of people you can't stand and there it is.

In short, I am all over the place. Most here would probably say I am on the right. I suppose I am but I don't really care much. I believe what I believe and I try to respect others but cannot stand ignorance and people who won't even consider that they may be wrong. I have been. I used to oppose gay marriage, for example. No real reason for it. Just did. I also used to be real anti-illegal immigration. Read a book on it. Changed my whole view. Now, I am more empathetic, if not supportive.

Anyway, I think this could actually be a good thread but doubt that it will be.
Well said. As far as being a good thread we will see. I am not starting this thread to get views or my post count up.

I really could care less about that. However the other threads have seemed to become just a way for everyone to vent and release the built up anger that the past election has caused.

I am first to admit I am guilty of that.

I found myself getting very angry about a political thread on Playa info lol.

Its like. lets check and see what this 1 said or that 1 said .

Then come up with a angry or insulting reply.

Well I am done with those threads .

They have become a protest gone bad. And yes I am guilty of being a part .

So that's why I started the Middle Party thread . I will do my best not to insult anyone , but cant promise I wont .
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Your are correct ,I have never bothered with politics my entire life. I always relied on not depending on the government and started my own business when I was 18.

This is the first election that got my attention.
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I fall more right than the middle. But I agree with you for the most part.

I feel that those that come to this country should do so the legal way.

Abortion, I'm a Christian, I think abortion is murder. While the baby is in the woman's body, it is not her body. The baby is a completely separate person.

LGBT...What people do is really up to them. I may not agree with their lifestyle, but do what you want. My problem is that we are now forced to agree with their lifestyle and that it is shoved down our throats. Transgenders... you're born a female/male, you cannot surgically alter your DNA. But again, we are forced to accept this as okay.

Opioid crisis...Sadly many fall into this due to legitimate reasons. Doctors prescribed these way beyond the time they are needed. You cannot just stop taking them, you must be weened off even if taking for a legitimate purpose. After taking them for a time, your body adjusts and you need more to have the same effect. Street drugs are expensive, heroin is less than pills, so many make the switch. Anyway, it's all about money for the doctors, pharmaceutical companies and drug dealers. Addiction is big business. I've noticed recently the uptick in commercials for "recovery" help or centers....so now they have switched to turn "recovery" into big business.

I do agree with PDS2 that we are bigots to some degree, and we all have predjudices, due to our upbringing, environment, etc.

And now it's time for me to "go and make the donuts".......
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I fall more right than the middle. But I agree with you for the most part.

I feel that those that come to this country should do so the legal way.

Abortion, I'm a Christian, I think abortion is murder. While the baby is in the woman's body, it is not her body. The baby is a completely separate person.

LGBT...What people do is really up to them. I may not agree with their lifestyle, but do what you want. My problem is that we are now forced to agree with their lifestyle and that it is shoved down our throats. Transgenders... you're born a female/male, you cannot surgically alter your DNA. But again, we are forced to accept this as okay.

Opioid crisis...Sadly many fall into this due to legitimate reasons. Doctors prescribed these way beyond the time they are needed. You cannot just stop taking them, you must be weened off even if taking for a legitimate purpose. After taking them for a time, your body adjusts and you need more to have the same effect. Street drugs are expensive, heroin is less than pills, so many make the switch. Anyway, it's all about money for the doctors, pharmaceutical companies and drug dealers. Addiction is big business. I've noticed recently the uptick in commercials for "recovery" help or centers....so now they have switched to turn "recovery" into big business.

I do agree with PDS2 that we are bigots to some degree, and we all have predjudices, due to our upbringing, environment, etc.

And now it's time for me to "go and make the donuts".......
Abortion ,I have been on both sides, But landed where I am now .

But as we all know, everyone has different opinions ,beliefs .
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The Middle position on immigration is from 1907 . Of course a lot has changed ,but Teddy got it right way back then

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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Middle position with President Trump.

He has great ideas and vision. Things are moving forward.

Stop the crazy tweets, Let your ego relax some.

We are sick of the being "politically correct ". But don't go to far over the top.

He is our President , so we support him.
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Commit murder Life .

That should solve the protesters violence issues .
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Firearms . Every law abiding citizen shall have the right to own a gun as long as you are not a convicted felon or proven to be mentally unstable .

Mandatory sentence for convicted felons in possession of a firearm 5 years

For felons committing a crime with a firearm assault robbery 10 years

Murder 25 years to life with no parole or shortened sentence.
Homicide with a gun is less severely punished?

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I really could care less about that.
so, you care somewhat?
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...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...
I guess Franco was a Middle.
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[quote=james;2189388]Homicide with a gun is less severely punished?

No a homicide with a gun if found guilty falls under murder for me . But of course depending on the case and circumstances
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