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Old 09-24-2017   #16 (permalink)
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We are all talking about it,that is a good start.
What is the "it" that you think we are talking about? Whatever you might think it is, we are not talking about it, we are talking about them, which is what they want.
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..Back in 1994, Bill Clinton called for and then signed a law called the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. Among its provisions was to treat crack cocaine (popular in inner cities and poorer neighborhoods) as more villanous than regular cocaine (white, suburban, disco-dancers). The result has been that prisons started filling up with a disprorportianate amount of African-Americans. Like a whole generation lost. While BLM started as a movement to protest the shooting of black suspects, it also stands against the scewed up justice system we currently have in the US, especially antiquiated and ridiculous drug laws that send many black men to prison while letting white guys walk or do probation. CK is protesting to change this. If you don't believe that this is change for the good, I can't help you.
A reasonable start to a complex explanation, but Bill Clinton is neither responsible for, nor the cause of, the making of a bankrupt black culture and failed black society that not only knowingly and willingly but apparently proudly and stupidly funnels its fatally-flawed products into situations where they get shot and killed - with CK's choice of Michael Brown as poster boy for his protest being a prime example of the fuzzy logic surrounding what would otherwise be an eminently reasonable topic of protest. Is there injustice in the world? Yes. Should it be stopped? Yes. Is Michael Brown a great example of that injustice that will attract people to our cause in droves? Well, no - as both CK and Hillary Clinton, the by-far best-qualified candidate for president who foolishly paraded the Mothers-of-the Movement on stage at the DNC, both found out the hard way.

One foreseeable irony of using the venue of the near-total black-domination of professional sports (and its hugely powerful economic engine) to very obviously drag the viewing public, kicking and screaming, to a ring-side seat atop the powder keg of 'injustice', is that the black athletes themselves exhibit the almost-unbelievable (if not incomprehensible) amount of dedication, work, self-sacrifice, and sense of achievement in becoming the world-class experts at what they do, effectively making the success of 'the black athlete' the polar opposite of the bankrupt black culture and failed black society from which they (arguably) have 'escaped to a better future'. If CK and black athletes as a force for good could find a way to direct that huge collective energy, dedication, self-sacrifice, work-ethic, and justifiable sense of achievement towards the re-making of both a fatally-flawed black society and the other 87% of so of the population that complacently sits on its haunches cluck-clucking as it passively watches black culture and society continue its race to the bottom, the world might be a better place. But I frankly doubt it. Black culture and society are still the most blatantly visible self-destructive basket cases of the American dream. Bernie Sanders says "we're going to send that black kid to college". I somehow doubt it.
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Do you really want to live in a country that punishes people who choose not to stand for the national anthem?
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[quote=roni;2194741]Taking a knee is constitutionally protected speech. I would not do it, but fully support other folks doing it.[/QUOTE

Ditto this.

Then again, I tend to think people give wayyy too much attention and attach way too much importance to grown men playing stupid games with balls.

As a side note though, this happened up here today:

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A reasonable start to a complex explanation, but Bill Clinton is neither responsible for, nor the cause of, the making of a bankrupt black culture and failed black society that not only knowingly and willingly but apparently proudly and stupidly funnels its fatally-flawed products into situations where they get shot and killed - with CK's choice of Michael Brown as poster boy for his protest being a prime example of the fuzzy logic surrounding what would otherwise be an eminently reasonable topic of protest. Is there injustice in the world? Yes. Should it be stopped? Yes. Is Michael Brown a great example of that injustice that will attract people to our cause in droves? Well, no - as both CK and Hillary Clinton, the by-far best-qualified candidate for president who foolishly paraded the Mothers-of-the Movement on stage at the DNC, both found out the hard way.

One foreseeable irony of using the venue of the near-total black-domination of professional sports (and its hugely powerful economic engine) to very obviously drag the viewing public, kicking and screaming, to a ring-side seat atop the powder keg of 'injustice', is that the black athletes themselves exhibit the almost-unbelievable (if not incomprehensible) amount of dedication, work, self-sacrifice, and sense of achievement in becoming the world-class experts at what they do, effectively making the success of 'the black athlete' the polar opposite of the bankrupt black culture and failed black society from which they (arguably) have 'escaped to a better future'. If CK and black athletes as a force for good could find a way to direct that huge collective energy, dedication, self-sacrifice, work-ethic, and justifiable sense of achievement towards the re-making of both a fatally-flawed black society and the other 87% of so of the population that complacently sits on its haunches cluck-clucking as it passively watches black culture and society continue its race to the bottom, the world might be a better place. But I frankly doubt it. Black culture and society are still the most blatantly visible self-destructive basket cases of the American dream. Bernie Sanders says "we're going to send that black kid to college". I somehow doubt it.
I have stated, repeatedly, that BLM was founded on a false narrative, i.e., the Michael Brown shooting. However, that does not mean that inequities do not exist in the judicial system. I believe it is more a class (rich/poor) thing than a racial one but it does exist. From laws written that are disproportionate with sentencing for essentially the same crime to turning policemen into tax enforcers. Look at the death of Eric Garner. His crime. Selling loose cigarettes to those who could not afford whole packs thanks to outrageous taxes imposed by NYC. The mayor encouraged his police force to pursue arrests in these cases and a man died for it. That is worth protesting.

Liberal policies have failed inner cities and the minority populations that live there. Not a doubt in my mind. Billions of dollars invested and nothing to show for it. Those who do try to better their neighborhoods do so, investing time, money and sweat only to see the hipsters move in with their gentrification plans to make it all better. That AA community does need to accept some of the repsponsibility but it is also incumbent on the rest of us to make sure the playing field (at least when it comes to criminal justice) is level. It is not. And whether BLM started on a fraud of not, it still does not change that fact.
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I am OK with players taking a knee to protest racism in the US. I don't particulary agree with their cause but I am not an African-American so can't say for sure how I would feel. I admire the courage of conviction exhibited by Kaepernick (who risked his career) and a few others to make a political point. Protest is as American as apple pie. Anyone butthurt over it, should reread their high school civics books.

I am not OK with players taking a knee to protest Trump because that is what Trump wants. He wants us to believe that protesting him is the same as protesting the flag or the anthem. He is a public servant, not a symbol.

I also believe the cause of BLM is overblown and started from a false narrative in Ferguson. Having said that, the US justice system is hugely flawed thanks to some stupid ass drug laws passed by some politicians and needs a serious overhaul. Too many black men are in prison for drug "crimes". If taking a knee gets that problem looked into, I will too. There ain't no rule that says I need to stand for the national anthem. It is a tradition to show respect. There are lots of ways you can show respect to your country. A big way is working to improve it. I believe CK and others believe that is EXACTLY what they are doing so more power to them.

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I am not OK with players taking a knee to protest Trump because that is what Trump wants. He wants us to believe that protesting him is the same as protesting the flag or the anthem. He is a public servant, not a symbol
He was elected to represent the US of A as it's highest Political symbol. Not only is he a public servant but he's the one symbol other than the Flag who represents us all
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I am OK with players taking a knee to protest racism in the US. I don't particulary agree with their cause but I am not an African-American so can't say for sure how I would feel. I admire the courage of conviction exhibited by Kaepernick (who risked his career) and a few others to make a political point. Protest is as American as apple pie. Anyone butthurt over it, should reread their high school civics books.

I am not OK with players taking a knee to protest Trump because that is what Trump wants. He wants us to believe that protesting him is the same as protesting the flag or the anthem. He is a public servant, not a symbol.

I also believe the cause of BLM is overblown and started from a false narrative in Ferguson. Having said that, the US justice system is hugely flawed thanks to some stupid ass drug laws passed by some politicians and needs a serious overhaul. Too many black men are in prison for drug "crimes". If taking a knee gets that problem looked into, I will too. There ain't no rule that says I need to stand for the national anthem. It is a tradition to show respect. There are lots of ways you can show respect to your country. A big way is working to improve it. I believe CK and others believe that is EXACTLY what they are doing so more power to them.

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If nobody took the knee today Trump and his Trumpsters would have taken credit for it. He left the athletes no choice but to give him a collective **** you. I expect it to be back to normal next week, unless Trump decides to double down on the lunacy.
So it's a union thing.
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Ironic,2 of the most liberal people here Roni and myself are both Navy Vets.
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NASCAR says it will fire anyone who takes a knee or protests in any other way. Their right as an employer, of course. Many progressives now claiming NASCAR is anti 1st Amendment and full of redneck racists. Of course, those people have no idea what the 1st Amendment actually means. It prohibits the government from denying you free speech. It does nothing to keep your employer, private school principal or spouse from telling you to STFU. When did they stop teaching Civics in school?
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Ironic,2 of the most liberal people here Roni and myself are both Navy Vets.
I am a centrist.
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Does anyone miss the years when watching and sharing football was a relaxing pastime?
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