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Old 09-24-2017   #1 (permalink)
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Kneeling in the NFL. OK with you?

Seems some Ravens and Giants fans are burning jerseys and tickets because players are kneeling. Also NFL ratings are down. Wonder how far this will go? Wonder if they would ever strike and lose those huge checks....

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Seems some Ravens and Giants fans are burning jerseys and tickets because players are kneeling. Also NFL ratings are down. Wonder how far this will go? Wonder if they would ever strike and lose those huge checks....

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After today's games I think we know why Ravens' and Giants' fans are burning jerseys and tickets.
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I am not an NFL fan, I am all about college football. This crap is not allowed in college football. Players respect school traditions and they respect our country or they are disciplined. And fans don't want the sport politicized, like the NFL is becoming.

I encourage all NFL fans, whether you went to college or not, who are feeling disenfranchised by players' political grandstanding to give college football a try, you will never go back.
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I am OK with players taking a knee to protest racism in the US. I don't particulary agree with their cause but I am not an African-American so can't say for sure how I would feel. I admire the courage of conviction exhibited by Kaepernick (who risked his career) and a few others to make a political point. Protest is as American as apple pie. Anyone butthurt over it, should reread their high school civics books.

I am not OK with players taking a knee to protest Trump because that is what Trump wants. He wants us to believe that protesting him is the same as protesting the flag or the anthem. He is a public servant, not a symbol.

I also believe the cause of BLM is overblown and started from a false narrative in Ferguson. Having said that, the US justice system is hugely flawed thanks to some stupid ass drug laws passed by some politicians and needs a serious overhaul. Too many black men are in prison for drug "crimes". If taking a knee gets that problem looked into, I will too. There ain't no rule that says I need to stand for the national anthem. It is a tradition to show respect. There are lots of ways you can show respect to your country. A big way is working to improve it. I believe CK and others believe that is EXACTLY what they are doing so more power to them.

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I am OK with players taking a knee to protest racism in the US. I don't particulary agree with their cause but I am not an African-American so can't say for sure how I would feel. I admire the courage of conviction exhibited by Kaepernick (who risked his career) and a few others to make a political point. Protest is as American as apple pie. Anyone butthurt over it, should reread their high school civics books.

I am not OK with players taking a knee to protest Trump because that is what Trump wants. He wants us to believe that protesting him is the same as protesting the flag or the anthem. He is a public servant, not a symbol.

I also believe the cause of BLM is overblown and started from a false narrative in Ferguson. Having said that, the US justice system is hugely flawed thanks to some stupid ass drug laws passed by some politicians and needs a serious overhaul. Too many black men are in prison for drug "crimes". If taking a knee gets that problem looked into, I will too. There ain't no rule that says I need to stand for the national anthem. It is a tradition to show respect. There are lots of ways you can show respect to your country. A big way is working to improve it. I believe CK and others believe that is EXACTLY what they are doing so more power to them.

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Please explain how CK and others like him are improving anything? Sorry, I don't see it, if anything they are doing more to tear this country apart. What good has come about from all these so called protests?
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If nobody took the knee today Trump and his Trumpsters would have taken credit for it. He left the athletes no choice but to give him a collective **** you. I expect it to be back to normal next week, unless Trump decides to double down on the lunacy.
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I applaud those fans for doing what they think they need to do by burning their possessions . Same for the players.

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Taking a knee is constitutionally protected speech. I would not do it, but fully support other folks doing it.
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I am not an NFL fan, I am all about college football. This crap is not allowed in college football. Players respect school traditions and they respect our country or they are disciplined. And fans don't want the sport politicized, like the NFL is becoming.

I encourage all NFL fans, whether you went to college or not, who are feeling disenfranchised by players' political grandstanding to give college football a try, you will never go back.
I suspect that a large part of Bob Stoops's resignation at Oklahoma was in part due to the probability of a spillover protest movement from the NFL to the college level - he saw it coming (who couldn't?) and got out while the gettin' was good.
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Please explain how CK and others like him are improving anything? Sorry, I don't see it, if anything they are doing more to tear this country apart. What good has come about from all these so called protests?
Sorry, Mercy, there are just things that you will never understand because you either a) refuse to or b) don't have the necessary knowledge to process the nuances of some things. With you, I would like to believe it is the latter but think that might be wishful thinking.

I will try to explain though. Back in 1994, Bill Clinton called for and then signed a law called the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. Among its provisions was to treat crack cocaine (popular in inner cities and poorer neighborhoods) as more villanous than regular cocaine (white, suburban, disco-dancers). The result has been that prisons started filling up with a disprorportianate amount of African-Americans. Like a whole generation lost. While BLM started as a movement to protest the shooting of black suspects, it also stands against the scewed up justice system we currently have in the US, especially antiquiated and ridiculous drug laws that send many black men to prison while letting white guys walk or do probation. CK is protesting to change this. If you don't believe that this is change for the good, I can't help you.
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Taking a knee is constitutionally protected speech. I would not do it, but fully support other folks doing it.
Um, not exactly. It is a workplace, afterall. The Constitution would only protect you from the government making laws that force you to stand or something along those lines. If the NFL were to make rules about behavior during the anthem, the players would either have to abide by them or look for new work.
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I suspect that a large part of Bob Stoops's resignation at Oklahoma was in part due to the probability of a spillover protest movement from the NFL to the college level - he saw it coming (who couldn't?) and got out while the gettin' was good.
Yes, there has been some spillover from the NFL to a few college teams. Specifically, Mizzou, where the coach resigned, enrollment is down, and the football team has now become a joke. My AU Tigers spanked Mizzou last night 51-14 and it could have been much worse.
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Um, not exactly. It is a workplace, afterall. The Constitution would only protect you from the government making laws that force you to stand or something along those lines. If the NFL were to make rules about behavior during the anthem, the players would either have to abide by them or look for new work.
You're right. The employer has that right - the NFL is not the employer. Team owners do not, at this time, seem ready to take punitive actions against their players.

I do not think they should, but each owner will have to decide.
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You're right. The employer has that right - the NFL is not the employer. Team owners do not, at this time, seem ready to take punitive actions against their players.

I do not think they should, but each owner will have to decide.
I think the Steelers had the best plan. Just do the anthem before the teams take the field and be done with it. If some want to come out for it, they can. if not, ni modo. I have pretty much stopped watching the NFL anyway. Not because of this but because I found it was sucking up too much time for very little reward. I would much rather watch a college game, same as basketball. While it is still pretty much a business at the college level, at least most of the players still treat it as a game.
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Please explain how CK and others like him are improving anything? Sorry, I don't see it, if anything they are doing more to tear this country apart. What good has come about from all these so called protests?
We are all talking about it,that is a good start.
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