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Sue Ellen Mischke!

God, I miss that show.

I agree with you Mel, that is for obvious reasons more of a problem...but, how do you say "Hey, you big breasted girl? You must wear a bra. But you, with the concave chest? You're good." and not be unfair?
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Fashion side note: body suits are just modified leotards, and they really do look best with a ballerina body type (i.e. small boobs). Having a bra showing in the back or straps would look worse than not wearing one. Now, is throwing jeans over a leotard an appropriate look for high school? Probably not.

It's not, however, some kind of millennial invention to push the envelope in your teen years. I had a friend get sent home for wearing a half shirt in high school , and let me tell you that outfit was rocking with pinstriped jeans! Oh, the 80's. Even dudes wore half shirts then.
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Sue Ellen Mischke!

God, I miss that show.

I agree with you Mel, that is for obvious reasons more of a problem...but, how do you say "Hey, you big breasted girl? You must wear a bra. But you, with the concave chest? You're good." and not be unfair?
That's just it, there is no rule. You cannot force someone to wear one, but you can have policies like no extreme cleavage or a bra showing under a revealing top.

Who looks good in what is just a matter of personal taste.
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I dunno....I see your POV but I also think it would be perfectly reasonable for a school to have a rule of bras being mandatory for all female students over grade six or seven.

At least a rule is black and white and there is not as much room for cries of 'unfair!' Really, schools are supposed to be places of learning and free from distractions.....and while it might be nice to think wistfully about how everyone is equal, and standards should be the same, the realities is there are differences between the genders. At some workplaces, the rule is in the woman's favour, like requiring men to wear ties in an office, so it's not like women are always getting the short end of the stick.
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I dunno....I see your POV but I also think it would be perfectly reasonable for a school to have a rule of bras being mandatory for all female students over grade six or seven.

At least a rule is black and white and there is not as much room for cries of 'unfair!' Really, schools are supposed to be places of learning and free from distractions.....and while it might be nice to think wistfully about how everyone is equal, and standards should be the same, the realities is there are differences between the genders. At some workplaces, the rule is in the woman's favour, like requiring men to wear ties in an office, so it's not like women are always getting the short end of the stick.
I disagree. Bras are support undergarments. You cannot have a rule regulating their use, much less enforcing it, any more than you could prevent a guy from going commando. And an arbitrary grade mandate would be humiliating. Some girls need a bra by sixth grade, some not until well into high school. Should gym teachers be the ones to check?

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Sure you can have a rule! "Students must wear appropriate undergarments." Then you go by a case-by-case approach when dealing with any problems.

If you had Jon Hamm in your daughter's grade 12 class, wearing skin tight jeans with no underwear- wouldn't you be glad of a rule like this?

talk about distracting

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Sure you can have a rule! "Students must wear appropriate undergarments." Then you go by a case-by-case approach when dealing with any problems.

If you had Jon Hamm in your daughter's grade 12 class, wearing skin tight jeans with no underwear- wouldn't you be glad of a rule like this?

talk about distracting

He could be wearing boxers. Should there be a jock strap rule for big dicks?
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I dunno....I see your POV but I also think it would be perfectly reasonable for a school to have a rule of bras being mandatory for all female students over grade six or seven.

At least a rule is black and white and there is not as much room for cries of 'unfair!' Really, schools are supposed to be places of learning and free from distractions.....and while it might be nice to think wistfully about how everyone is equal, and standards should be the same, the realities is there are differences between the genders. At some workplaces, the rule is in the woman's favour, like requiring men to wear ties in an office, so it's not like women are always getting the short end of the stick.
I don't at all mind wearing a tie to work. I have quite a collection.
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Always hated Woody Allen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.e33df9fe92ca

I am not going to post quotes because, if interested, you should read the whole article.

Hooray for Hollywood!
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Always hated Woody Allen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.e33df9fe92ca

I am not going to post quotes because, if interested, you should read the whole article.

Hooray for Hollywood!
Interesting article.

I always just think of Woody (and his 'Fake Woody' characters in his films) as simply an intelligent, nerdy, insecure, deeply neurotic man-child who never truly became an adult man and was therefore stuck in his teenage yearning years. *shrug*

So he is attracted to younger women, wow, that's shocking. Not.

And, as even the author pointed out- not uncommon. Like, at all.

We live in a youth obsessed world- in fact, it's probably hard-wired in us to admire and yearn for and glorify youth. All of us, men and women, are either admiring of to some degree, and/or downright jealous of youth. No matter how much some people protest 'not me! I am content with my age, I love being 40, 50, 60, whatever'...I call BS. Deep down who among us wouldn't want to get rid of our wrinkles and pouchy eyes and grey hair, if we're honest?

Allen's movies often have seemed to me to be more of an expression and commentary on the plight of the homely, skinny, dweeby male who has never stopped secretly wanting to be the football star dating the beautiful cheerleader- stuck at forever 18.

I still have to say this in many ways has turned out to be a witch hunt, looking for even small and innocent transgressions on the part of males everywhere, as Allen pointed out too.

Enough already, it has the danger imo of going so far in the direction of the ridiculous now that the tipping point is almost inevitable.... and what it's going to do is just take away the importance of the really bad stuff that DOES need to change (harassment and women being steamrollered and discrimination and assault) and make it all equally scoffed at.
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Interesting article.

I always just think of Woody (and his 'Fake Woody' characters in his films) as simply an intelligent, nerdy, insecure, deeply neurotic man-child who never truly became an adult man and was therefore stuck in his teenage yearning years. *shrug*

So he is attracted to younger women, wow, that's shocking. Not.

And, as even the author pointed out- not uncommon. Like, at all.

We live in a youth obsessed world- in fact, it's probably hard-wired in us to admire and yearn for and glorify youth. All of us, men and women, are either admiring of to some degree, and/or downright jealous of youth. No matter how much some people protest 'not me! I am content with my age, I love being 40, 50, 60, whatever'...I call BS. Deep down who among us wouldn't want to get rid of our wrinkles and pouchy eyes and grey hair, if we're honest?

Allen's movies often have seemed to me to be more of an expression and commentary on the plight of the homely, skinny, dweeby male who has never stopped secretly wanting to be the football star dating the beautiful cheerleader- stuck at forever 18.

I still have to say this in many ways has turned out to be a witch hunt, looking for even small and innocent transgressions on the part of males everywhere, as Allen pointed out too.

Enough already, it has the danger imo of going so far in the direction of the ridiculous now that the tipping point is almost inevitable.... and what it's going to do is just take away the importance of the really bad stuff that DOES need to change (harassment and women being steamrollered and discrimination and assault) and make it all equally scoffed at.
I don't disagree with many of your points here. BUT

Woody Allen is a pig. Always has been, always will be. Like PDS2 I've never liked him, never liked his movies (especially the obtuse ones that arty people like to call "genius"), and always thought he was a pervert.

He likes "young women" and that's normal? Disagree. He covets CHILDREN, and to be attracted to young women, even, when you're 70 - well something's seriously wrong.

Do I think this is starting to "tip the scales", though? Yup. Enough already. Let's let the changes that need to take place happen. Beating the dead horse, to me, minimizes the effectiveness of the issue.

I also disagree about the aging thing. I am very comfortable with my age - I don't mind telling it to people, I don't do botox, much makeup, never had a face lift, etc etc....although I'd like to have whiter teeth and less wrinkles, but OH WELL. And those things I'd like for me, not because I want to recapture my youth or anything.
Most of my friends are around my age, a few younger and a few older, and we all are enjoying our lives at our age, not wishing to be something we are not. What I mean is, would I like to have more years on this earth left to enjoy my friends and especially family? Of course, but I am not all that "admiring" and certainly not "jealous" of younger women.

It is what it is, and I'm happy with it.
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I am pretty comfortable with my age (66). When I think of liking younger folks, well, I am thinking in their 50's . Having friends is more important than having lust buddies. I like having some younger friends and the different perspectives they bring to discussions.

I am pretty happy and do a pretty good job of managing my chronic conditions, which in my case has been part of the aging process.

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Woody Allen for Alabama Senate.
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Now how did I know that Roni would post that exact post?

Everyone should be ok with aging- it's inevitable and nothing can change it, after all. Anyone who wastes time wishing and hoping were younger, or are truly unhappy about it- well, that would be pretty stupid and pointless on their part.

Not really what I was talking about though.

I don't think anyone can deny we have a youth obsessed culture . IT's the simple truth that's because in large part that being young is better than being old. Why? The older we get the closer to death we get. And I dunno about you guys, but for me, life is preferable to death. And the more of it is ahead of someone, the happier a notion that is.


And sure, maybe he is a pig- but last I checked, being 'gross' or a 'pig' is not a crime. (Calling him a predator or pedophile is simply incorrect- at the very least it's exaggeration.)

It just seems that everyone is being vilified more and more, and for increasingly minor things, these days. Maybe I am more tolerant than most people of others' idiosyncrasies and faults. Maybe that is now a bad way to be? Maybe I should strive to be less easygoing and smile-y and change my whole way of communicating with the opposite sex, be more of a rigid, nasty bitch to anyone who is remotely friendly toward me, even if it's totally innocent, hey, they might be thinking gross things, after all?

and maybe this is my viewpoint as a Canadian female as opposed to American? I have talked about this topic with many GFs and they also see it as being overblown. Perhaps we don't take things quite as seriously, or ourselves quite as seriously, up here. There is less litigation so that might affect that.
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I have no problem with someone being attracted to younger women or men. Beauty is beauty, whether it take the shape of art, nature or a human. I plan to take in as much beauty as I can in this life before I go.

There is, however, a difference between appreciating and fixating. I think Woody Allen is fixated to the point of creepiness and, well, he had an affair with and then married his adopted daughter. There is no coming back from that one, IMHO.
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