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Old 3 Weeks Ago   #16 (permalink)
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I have no problems with legalizing it (or, at least, decriminalizing it). My point was more general. Americans tend to use a lot of mood-altering substances. I certainly did a lot in the past. These days, I prefer to feel what I feel.
Good for you. Have several friends who quit drinking for their own betterment. Still go out with them socially and it is great having designated drivers.
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Why is healthy living a 1950s attitude ?

I gave up drinking after my cancer diagnosis - I have seen what it does to people who cant handle it and the health issues from those who over do it. I also lost weight when I gave up drinking as well (that is a good thing to)

I do believe that for some people it is a gateway.

I have never been a fan of smoking (anything) after seeing people I love die from lung cancer. There are studies of smoking and drinking having a negative effect as far as reoccurrence in cancer. After being diagnosed - and having gone thru chemo - it is not a risk I want to take.

But I do believe there are some benefits for chronic or terminal pain. I handle my chronic pain with our the use of medication, taking a more holistic approach. It has served me well.
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I didn’t quote anything about healthy living.
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What?
I didn’t quote anything about healthy living.
Smoking baby. Definitely not an advocate for healthy living.
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Probably not good for you. But a couple of puffs of weed occasionally is probably insignificant. Chronic users would obviously have health concerns. Chronic users of anything generally have Health concerns.

IMO one thing the marijuana industry seems to be doing is producing an organic high quality product that really only takes a puff or two.

Personally, I don't want to put my life in the hands of anyone smoking the weed that is around today. It is much more powerful than what was around when I smoked. I hope the states that are legalizing it are also putting some restrictions on its use, like alcohol.
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Personally, I don't want to put my life in the hands of anyone smoking the weed that is around today. It is much more powerful than what was around when I smoked. I hope the states that are legalizing it are also putting some restrictions on its use, like alcohol.
What do you mean by “put my life in the hands of anyone smoking the weed that is around today”?


Don’t smoke and drive. Just like drinking. Don’t know anyone who recommends that. And there is Enforcement for impaired driving.

So what do you mean?
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Tappy- I think the 1950's comment was referring to the notion of pot being a gateway drug....like this old movie, preaching the 'evils' of mary jane...remember this gem??





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Personally, I don't want to put my life in the hands of anyone smoking the weed that is around today. It is much more powerful than what was around when I smoked. I hope the states that are legalizing it are also putting some restrictions on its use, like alcohol.
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What do you mean by “put my life in the hands of anyone smoking the weed that is around today”?


Don’t smoke and drive. Just like drinking. Don’t know anyone who recommends that. And there is Enforcement for impaired driving.

So what do you mean?
I am more on PDS's side about this- pot is WAY stronger today than in the past. Far too many people poo-poo ANY sort of criticism and brush it off way too easily. It affects young people's brain development, and some people certainly DO abuse it- and it's not pretty for some of them.

The problem with enforcing is there, too. It's not nearly as simple as you say, because of testing problems. Once it is legalized, how do you manage it? For example, someone has a vehicle accident, whether on the public roads or at work. You test them (as per your drug and alcohol policy or the legal BAC required in your state or province - and then what?

Traces of pot lasts in your system up to three weeks and because it is stored in your tissues, different types of users (light to chronic) will have differing amounts at any given time.

It's not like someone blows into a machine and boom, yes, they are definitely 'over the legal limit' like for alcohol- that is easy. Determining what an individual's threshold for 'impairment' for marijuana is almost impossible. They ARE working on better tests that will measure it better but they aren't there yet.....it's going to cause lots of problems (already has begun, where I work, for these very reasons).
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Tappy- I think the 1950's comment was referring to the notion of pot being a gateway drug....like this old movie, preaching the 'evils' of mary jane...remember this gem??









I am more on PDS's side about this- pot is WAY stronger today than in the past. Far too many people poo-poo ANY sort of criticism and brush it off way too easily. It affects young people's brain development, and some people certainly DO abuse it- and it's not pretty for some of them.

The problem with enforcing is there, too. It's not nearly as simple as you say, because of testing problems. Once it is legalized, how do you manage it? For example, someone has a vehicle accident, whether on the public roads or at work. You test them (as per your drug and alcohol policy or the legal BAC required in your state or province - and then what?

Traces of pot lasts in your system up to three weeks and because it is stored in your tissues, different types of users (light to chronic) will have differing amounts at any given time.

It's not like someone blows into a machine and boom, yes, they are definitely 'over the legal limit' like for alcohol- that is easy. Determining what an individual's threshold for 'impairment' for marijuana is almost impossible. They ARE working on better tests that will measure it better but they aren't there yet.....it's going to cause lots of problems (already has begun, where I work, for these very reasons).
What the smart person said above.
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New methods for Enforcement.


Police are using new mouth-swab tests to nab drivers under the influence of marijuana and other drugs - LA Times
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Living in Washington it's been legal for a couple years. Before legalization of recreational pot there were pot dispensaries all over the place but they were all shut down when the law changed. Now there are far less sellers but the stores are bigger and fancier, the one down the street from me is in its own strip mall called the Higher Leaf Plaza. What I don't see is change in how and who are using it, people are not causally walking down the street smoking a joint.
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I assume that most of us use to buy a bag of weed from our local "Dealer" back in the day and hope we did not get busted with it.

So it is a very interesting experence to walk into a pot shop and check out all the legal crap you can buy now.

I can't smoke weed at all anymore, for some reason it makes me super paranoid now (like hide in a dark closet with a blanket over my head paranoid)

On our last trip down to Mexico someone let me try a topical weed oil for the pain I an experiencing for carpal tunnel, and it worked great When we got home I went to the local pot shop and picked some up and it also does a great job with pain.
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from that story:


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The machine, about the size of a mini bookshelf stereo system, tests for the presence of seven drugs — marijuana, cocaine, opiates, methamphetamine, amphetamine, methadone and benzodiazepines. The device does not read the level of intoxication; drivers would have to take a blood test for that information.
and the blood tests, again- do NOT show level of impairment. So, this test is useless insofar as getting problem impaired drivers off the road, their licenses revoked, or used when disciplining employees after incidents-once it's legal.
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I assume that most of us use to buy a bag of weed from our local "Dealer" back in the day and hope we did not get busted with it.

So it is a very interesting experence to walk into a pot shop and check out all the legal crap you can buy now.

I can't smoke weed at all anymore, for some reason it makes me super paranoid now (like hide in a dark closet with a blanket over my head paranoid)

On our last trip down to Mexico someone let me try a topical weed oil for the pain I an experiencing for carpal tunnel, and it worked great When we got home I went to the local pot shop and picked some up and it also does a great job with pain.
I think part of that is the pot we got back in the late 70's was probably 90% oregano. I had a puff of some Colorado grade pot at a neighbors party 8-9 months ago, literally one puff, and had no recollection of how I got home. I woke up and the garbage can next to my bed was filled up with empty bags of leftover Easter candy. Strong stuff. Not for me.
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I think part of that is the pot we got back in the late 70's was probably 90% oregano. I had a puff of some Colorado grade pot at a neighbors party 8-9 months ago, literally one puff, and had no recollection of how I got home. I woke up and the garbage can next to my bed was filled up with empty bags of leftover Easter candy. Strong stuff. Not for me.


A friend gave us some marijuana butter back when we lived in Oregon, and we used it to make chocolate chip cookies. On a Saturday or Sunday morning it was nice to eat a dose and spend the morning playing house - cleaning stuff, doing yard and garden work, preparing and eating a very good lunch.

It was a pleasant experience.
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Anybody remember a four finger lid?
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Marijuana in the last 10 years has gotten very, very strong. California growers leading the way to get their medical marijuana stronger than the other guys marijuana. No need for a gateway drug, this stuff will kick your ass.

I don't think they have legalized edibles yet.

Signs on the freeways that used to say things like "Driving buzzed is drunk driving." Last few days it's "Driving High is a DUI". Not sure how they are going to test for it.
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