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Old 01-03-2018   #61 (permalink)
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I think there is an equal amount of people today who think pot is totally harmless, fun, medically advantageous, for ANY malady, and even healthy drug, as there are people who believe it's an evil, scary, insidious, gateway drug.

Guess what? The truth lies somewhere in the middle, like most things.
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Who is advocating marijuana use and then operating a vehicle of any kind while stoned? Or going to work stoned?

The THC that causes cerebral effects is different from the THC that is stored in tHe body in fat that is detected longer term.

An actual marijuana high from smoking might last 1 to 3 hours. The effect after smoking is very quick, within minutes. Edibles take longer to breakdown and enter bloodstream and can last 3 to 8 hours.

Trying to suggest that someone who has smoked marijuana is a crazed madmen is just ignorance.
So is someone who ate edibles, might they be a crazed madman/madwoman if they ate too much?
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Who is advocating marijuana use and then operating a vehicle of any kind while stoned? Or going to work stoned?

The THC that causes cerebral effects is different from the THC that is stored in tHe body in fat that is detected longer term.

An actual marijuana high from smoking might last 1 to 3 hours. The effect after smoking is very quick, within minutes. Edibles take longer to breakdown and enter bloodstream and can last 3 to 8 hours.

Trying to suggest that someone who has smoked marijuana is a crazed madmen is just ignorance.


point, missed again

and no one is saying that last line. Like, at all. You are mixing up the article with what people are posting.

maybe YOU have had too much THC? It does cause some problems with cognition.
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Who is advocating marijuana use and then operating a vehicle of any kind while stoned? Or going to work stoned?

The THC that causes cerebral effects is different from the THC that is stored in tHe body in fat that is detected longer term.

An actual marijuana high from smoking might last 1 to 3 hours. The effect after smoking is very quick, within minutes. Edibles take longer to breakdown and enter bloodstream and can last 3 to 8 hours.

Trying to suggest that someone who has smoked marijuana is a crazed madmen is just ignorance.

Keep looking for those words in my post, moron.
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dude, really?

I am starting to see why some people get frustrated by you.

Do you think that it is NOT true that today's pot is stronger?

Do you think it's not logical to not want to have your safety in the hands if someone high on it?
Today’s pot lists it’s concentration level of THC. In addition each strain has different effects and predicted effect. Sativa is more uplifting and energetic. Indica is more relaxing and sedating. Hybrids have some properties of both.

Today’s pot is stronger. But less of it is smoked to get high. Generally just a puff or two.

I have no problem with police enforcing the law concerning driving while under the influence. Lock them up.
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The studies have just barely started on pot and it's effects on different human beings. Sativa and Indica - doesn't matter they both get you high.

Look for real scientific studies (stay out of the marijuana marketing literature and hearsay) - regarding bipolar disorders, marijuana use in young persons, marijuana abuse and manic episodes. I have lived it many times, I don't want to again.
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So is someone who ate edibles, might they be a crazed madman/madwoman if they ate too much?
Doubt it. Edibles list recommended dosage. And it recommends a person only take 1/4 or 1/2 of the recommended amount at most. You could always eat a bit more later after feeling some effects.

Overconsumption would most likely result in that person getting drowsy and falling asleep on the couch.

Studies have shown alcohol users to be much more aggressive while marijuana users less aggressive versus not under the influence.

So bottom line, I would likely be more concerned about an alcohol user becoming a crazed madman versus the marijuana user.
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I think there is an equal amount of people today who think pot is totally harmless, fun, medically advantageous, for ANY malady, and even healthy drug, as there are people who believe it's an evil, scary, insidious, gateway drug.

Guess what? The truth lies somewhere in the middle, like most things.
I don’t think anything is harmless.

IMO responsible consumption is the key in all things.
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Doubt it. Edibles list recommended dosage. And it recommends a person only take 1/4 or 1/2 of the recommended amount at most. You could always eat a bit more later after feeling some effects.

Overconsumption would most likely result in that person getting drowsy and falling asleep on the couch.

Studies have shown alcohol users to be much more aggressive while marijuana users less aggressive versus not under the influence.

So bottom line, I would likely be more concerned about an alcohol user becoming a crazed madman versus the marijuana user.
There are people, self-medicating ones, who take mega doses and pay little attention to the recommended amounts. If that person has a pre-existing psychiatric condition, it may be difficult to parse out what caused what.

If the behavioral manifestations of the condition are more pronounced after ingesting larger than recommended doses of edibles, that could be taken as evidence that the THC ingestion had a negative impact.
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There are people, self-medicating ones, who take mega doses and pay little attention to the recommended amounts. If that person has a pre-existing psychiatric condition, it may be difficult to parse out what caused what.

If the behavioral manifestations of the condition are more pronounced after ingesting larger than recommended doses of edibles, that could be taken as evidence that the THC ingestion had a negative impact.
Those people have problems no matter what it seems. Sad.
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And here comes the right-wing branch of the Nanny State to save the day.

https://apnews.com/19f6bfec15a74733b40eaf0ff9162bfa

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Sessions, who has assailed marijuana as comparable to heroin and has blamed it for spikes in violence, had been expected to ramp up enforcement. Pot advocates argue that legalizing the drug eliminates the need for a black market and would likely reduce violence, since criminals would no longer control the marijuana trade.

The Obama administration in 2013 announced it would not stand in the way of states that legalize marijuana, so long as officials acted to keep it from migrating to places where it remained outlawed and out of the hands of criminal gangs and children. Sessions is rescinding that memo, written by then-Deputy Attorney General James M. Cole, which had cleared up some of the uncertainty about how the federal government would respond as states began allowing sales for recreational and medical purposes.
One of the few things the Obama administration did right. However, the bold part is a ridiculous assertion as "criminals" (i.e., cartels) will just turn to smuggling and selling more lucrative and easier to transport substances like meth and heroin.
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Sessions to go after Marijuana.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydai...icle-1.3736948
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1/4 or 1/2 dosage of an edible 1,000mg THC brownie that has 20 doses in that one brownie. At 20 doses that's 50mg per dose. Chances are since it is un-regulated in the medicinal marijuana arena, that it's more than 1,000 mg just in case a competitor tests it. A single dose is like a tiny bite, try to cut that down to 1/4 or 1/2. This stuff isn't made to get a little high. It's made to knock you out.

Typical reviews of this stuff:

"It got me lit as ****"

"At 50 bucks for 1,000mg of THC this is a steal... One small bite you get floored"

"I first passed out at my mailbox for 5 hours...neighbor called the cops, they sent me home 2 blocks away but I got lost. . .finally got home and passed out for 22 hours...next time I'm not eating the whole thing"

These are the lucky people. This isn't a gateway drug anymore.

These bars are marketed as medicinal. Marijuana cures everything according to the literature and helps all people for any symptom. Dog bite, insomnia, sex drive, emotional disorders, broken legs, you can even feed them to your pets. It's all in the marijuana marketing.

For me this ****ing bar should be illegal. This bar(s), I learned late in the process, was the main thing that would start the manic episode. All the other edibles we found just kept the person oblivious to the world around them.
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7% of pregnant women in CA smoke pot.

1 in 4 of drivers pulled over in CO are stoned.

Fatal car accidents involving pot in CO have doubled since it was legalized.
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1/4 or 1/2 dosage of an edible 1,000mg THC brownie that has 20 doses in that one brownie. At 20 doses that's 50mg per dose. Chances are since it is un-regulated in the medicinal marijuana arena, that it's more than 1,000 mg just in case a competitor tests it. A single dose is like a tiny bite, try to cut that down to 1/4 or 1/2. This stuff isn't made to get a little high. It's made to knock you out.

Typical reviews of this stuff:

"It got me lit as ****"

"At 50 bucks for 1,000mg of THC this is a steal... One small bite you get floored"

"I first passed out at my mailbox for 5 hours...neighbor called the cops, they sent me home 2 blocks away but I got lost. . .finally got home and passed out for 22 hours...next time I'm not eating the whole thing"

These are the lucky people. This isn't a gateway drug anymore.

These bars are marketed as medicinal. Marijuana cures everything according to the literature and helps all people for any symptom. Dog bite, insomnia, sex drive, emotional disorders, broken legs, you can even feed them to your pets. It's all in the marijuana marketing.

For me this ****ing bar should be illegal. This bar(s), I learned late in the process, was the main thing that would start the manic episode. All the other edibles we found just kept the person oblivious to the world around them.

exactly!

I've seen first hand a lot of people who became chronic users (while blithely thinking of it as 'harmless') and underwent major negative personality changes -some major negative life changes for some of them too.
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